Police and sport bike accident !!!

Haboob · 03-05-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

i will agree with you that splitting lanes is safest for a biker, but the sad fact is here in southern california and especially orange county most sport bike riders act like asshats on the freeway and cant lane split properly for their life not to mention half the time they are doing almost double the speed limit. i can not tell you how many times i've been nearly hit while staying in my own lane minding my own business by these guys on their sport bikes and then to top it off when i pull up to a red light and it turns green they haul off like a bat out of hell when no one is trying to race them. sticking on topic though that cop was definitely in the wrong on this one.

Also...

I know lane splitting is legal in Cali, but not being used to it and sitting in traffic on the freeway when I'm there visiting I had a bike FLY by me. I'm at maybe 5mph and he flies between us at about 45-50.

Scared the **** out of me and I almost jerked the wheel in that direction not knowing what was going on (couldn't see in the mirrors due to it being night, other traffic, and a slight curve) - they don't take that into account when they do this stuff. It's a stupid law, IMO, to allow them to do that.

ImportConvert · 03-05-2013, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I can guarantee noone here has tried to ride in Las Vegas. I would consider it more dangerous than deployment. It's the true melting pot of crap drivers. Bikers here ride very cautiously. when in thick traffic like this or on freeways during rush hour. Noone cares to check their mirrors, turn their head, listen for other vehicles, and ride so close to the bump in front of them, you can see what radio station they are listening to. I side with the biker. I didn't do anything wrong. He doesn't have to be "in" traffic as the Officer claims. cop cars out here don't change lanes with their turn signals, don't keep their distance and flip their lights to cross red lights. I have no doubt that cop was far too close to the bike and used a bully tactic, he is using his power and authority to intimidate the biker. The other videos have no argument to what is being presented. Other comments of riders also have no argument because it was not part of this video. Facts are facts, everything else is invalid.

People drive fine in Vegas. Where are you from? I went there and there was NO BS like there is where I live. People went,and people stopped. PAY ATTENTION. I really liked driving in Vegas. Yes, it was "gogogo" but it was sensible and I liked it. No waiting around with your pecker in your hand. It was constant motion.

Cmike2780 · 03-05-2013, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ackrite

He seems to be doing a pretty good job of splitting lanes there. Nothing out of the ordinary or unsafe about that vid.

Look, I get it. You're just defending another riders... that's fine and you're more than entitled to your own opinions. I have nothing against motorcycles. My father owned one & I'd like to own one someday.

To me though, there is nothing safe about weaving in & out of moving traffic without signaling or regard to other drivers on the road. I have zero problems with bikes going 10mph between cars when traffic is stopped....in NY though, idiots go 60mph. Nothing safe about that... to the biker or the other cars on the road. The guy in the video looks like he's going about 50mph. I guess my point is, if I drive like this in my Z, you'd be in the right to call me an a-hole.

SS_Firehawk · 03-05-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

People drive fine in Vegas. Where are you from? I went there and there was NO BS like there is where I live. People went,and people stopped. PAY ATTENTION. I really liked driving in Vegas. Yes, it was "gogogo" but it was sensible and I liked it. No waiting around with your pecker in your hand. It was constant motion.

I live there, I work there, I drive through it every day. Not everyone drives retarded, but enough people do that it's a 5x a day occurrence. I have a lot of friends that ride here. One does not even own a car, but two bikes. It's not hectic like many large cities in downtown, it's different. People swerving across 3 lanes to make an exit or turn, people turning onto a street w/o looking, rolling past stop signs, people hauling @ss to beat you to a light only to get in your lane so they can be the first car on the light, tourists make it worse, it's like they forget what the hand and person walking means. They do understand loud accelerating 370Z and get out of the way though.

Haboob · 03-05-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I live there, I work there, I drive through it every day. Not everyone drives retarded, but enough people do that it's a 5x a day occurrence. I have a lot of friends that ride here. One does not even own a car, but two bikes. It's not hectic like many large cities in downtown, it's different. People swerving across 3 lanes to make an exit or turn, people turning onto a street w/o looking, rolling past stop signs, people hauling @ss to beat you to a light only to get in your lane so they can be the first car on the light, tourists make it worse, it's like they forget what the hand and person walking means. They do understand loud accelerating 370Z and get out of the way though.

Phoenix is a really bad place for bikes - melting pot of drivers from every other state.

nmjaxx9 · 03-05-2013, 09:17 PM

dammmm

Akmcmahon · 03-06-2013, 02:16 AM

I'm really surprised anyone would side with the cop on this one. Traffic wasn't stopped or heavy enough to criticize his lane riding IMO. I've seen FAR worse. But the one thing NO ONE even mentioned was the fact that he was doing maybe 20mph when he hit the brakes and got rear ended. It was a pretty soft hit at that. Traffic was crawling in front and on the sides. You have to pretty much be looking at your iPhone or the girl in the other lane to not be able to stop in time. For the cop to react the way he did is ridiculous under any circumstance. He was trying to use scare tactics to get out of a potential incident. Not talking about being sued, but losing his job. I would have gone ape **** on that cop, especially knowing I had it all on tape. Cops get away with too much at times and punish for little to nothing at all often. It sucks because I know some great guys out there that are cops who will get a bad rep for the crap others pull on a regular basis.

gsxr750 · 03-06-2013, 02:50 PM

You have to remember it doesn't matter how either individual behaved or drove on previous days or hours before the accident.

Its only the actual facts that took place during the accident.

Cmike2780 · 03-06-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750

You have to remember it doesn't matter how either individual behaved or drove on previous days or hours before the accident.

Its only the actual facts that took place during the accident.

I just think it's kind of pointless to "blow this up" on the internet. Both walk away and it doesn't sound like there were injuries or property damage. This is nothing more than pointing out a "gotcha" moment. How an individual behaved or drove on previous days or hours before the incident is very much indicative of a motive. Any lawyer would gladly use that to build a case against the biker considering the previous videos directly relate to the rules of the road. Just as an example, if he has 50 videos of himself going 90mph and weaving in & out of traffic, a lawyer could prove motive that he's a reckless driver and possible caused the incident. Put another way, it would be like having a video of a cop slapping you in the *** while you have 50 other YouTube videos of yourself punching random strangers in the face.

Like I said, the cop was being a **** and could have handled it better. The guy on the bike also had the choice to keep this private and achieve the same result.....but he didn't.

zguynate · 03-07-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I just think it's kind of pointless to "blow this up" on the internet. Both walk away and it doesn't sound like there were injuries or property damage. This is nothing more than pointing out a "gotcha" moment. How an individual behaved or drove on previous days or hours before the incident is very much indicative of a motive. Any lawyer would gladly use that to build a case against the biker considering the previous videos directly relate to the rules of the road. Just as an example, if he has 50 videos of himself going 90mph and weaving in & out of traffic, a lawyer could prove motive that he's a reckless driver and possible caused the incident. Put another way, it would be like having a video of a cop slapping you in the *** while you have 50 other YouTube videos of yourself punching random strangers in the face.

Like I said, the cop was being a **** and could have handled it better. The guy on the bike also had the choice to keep this private and achieve the same result.....but he didn't.

I disagree with you. Sure the biker could drive like a douche all the time but in this video he wasnt. The officer was definitely at fault for this accident. Instead of manning up for his mistake and taking his ticket and departmental discipline for causing an accident, he gets out and yells at the bike driver like it was his fault. If you got rear ended by a cop, then got yelled at for something that clearly wasnt your fault you would be mad too.

Im a firm believer in you should always do whats right. This officer just intimidated the bike driver to keep from getting in trouble.

Speedy · 03-07-2013, 11:35 AM

If you've never been a bike rider, then you probably don't understand the issue here. I rode motorcycles for years and the police do harass us a lot. No doubt the cop was right up the guys arse to run his plate for a reason to pull him over, and likely typing on the laptop when he gave him the love tap.

Now, if some cop smacked me like that, then came up being a jerk like this guy. We'd have had his supervisor and likely the captain and lieutenant out there to sort it out and find out how the city would pay for any damage to my bike and time off work to have it repaired.

When he threatened to write me a "load of tickets" I would have told him to go ahead and we would work out the details of the issue in court. I've been around the block a few times with LEO and have no problem going to court to argue cases. Some folks are intimidated by that process. It doesn't bother me one bit.

The cop knew he was in the wrong and used his position to intimidate the rider. That is an abuse of position of you ask me.

My Dad was a LEO so I can speak from both sides of the fence intelligently and with some experience.

SouthArk370Z · 03-07-2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy

...Now, if some cop smacked me like that, then came up being a jerk like this guy. We'd have had his supervisor and likely the captain and lieutenant out there to sort it out and find out how the city would pay for any damage to my bike and time off work to have it repaired.

When he threatened to write me a "load of tickets" I would have told him to go ahead and we would work out the details of the issue in court. ...

The cop knew he was in the wrong and used his position to intimidate the rider. That is an abuse of position of you ask me.

My Dad was a LEO so I can speak from both sides of the fence intelligently and with some experience.

Yep. There doesn't appear to be any damage done so if the cop had been apologetic, I would be willing to to shrug it off with a few choice words about his driving abilities - no-harm-no-foul, being a cop isn't always an easy job, and I'll be late for work if this escalates to an official accident. But when he starting talking about writing tickets, I think I would have insisted that we fill out the required accident report first. What happened is on at least one camera and probably two.

I guess it's like any profession, a few bad ones reflect badly on the rest. Most cops I run into are pretty good ppl just trying to do a job and feed their families. Maybe his wife ran off with a motorcyclist - still no excuse to act like that.

theDreamer · 03-08-2013, 01:52 PM

Police officer in YouTube video placed on paid leave - www.ktnv.com

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The officer will be on paid administrative leave until LVMPD completes an internal investigation.

The motorcyclist, John Paul Rosario, had a video camera attached to his helmet.

Rosario was never issued a ticket by the officer and is glad the police department has taken action. But, he thinks paid administrative leave is pretty generous for what he describes as "uncalled for aggression by an officer."

03-06-2013, 02:16 AM	#37 (permalink)
Akmcmahon Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 159 Drives: 13 370Z Mag Black M6 Rep Power: 13	I'm really surprised anyone would side with the cop on this one. Traffic wasn't stopped or heavy enough to criticize his lane riding IMO. I've seen FAR worse. But the one thing NO ONE even mentioned was the fact that he was doing maybe 20mph when he hit the brakes and got rear ended. It was a pretty soft hit at that. Traffic was crawling in front and on the sides. You have to pretty much be looking at your iPhone or the girl in the other lane to not be able to stop in time. For the cop to react the way he did is ridiculous under any circumstance. He was trying to use scare tactics to get out of a potential incident. Not talking about being sued, but losing his job. I would have gone ape **** on that cop, especially knowing I had it all on tape. Cops get away with too much at times and punish for little to nothing at all often. It sucks because I know some great guys out there that are cops who will get a bad rep for the crap others pull on a regular basis. SouthArk370Z likes this.

03-07-2013, 11:35 AM	#41 (permalink)
Speedy Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: TN Posts: 390 Drives: check my signature Rep Power: 13	If you've never been a bike rider, then you probably don't understand the issue here. I rode motorcycles for years and the police do harass us a lot. No doubt the cop was right up the guys arse to run his plate for a reason to pull him over, and likely typing on the laptop when he gave him the love tap. Now, if some cop smacked me like that, then came up being a jerk like this guy. We'd have had his supervisor and likely the captain and lieutenant out there to sort it out and find out how the city would pay for any damage to my bike and time off work to have it repaired. When he threatened to write me a "load of tickets" I would have told him to go ahead and we would work out the details of the issue in court. I've been around the block a few times with LEO and have no problem going to court to argue cases. Some folks are intimidated by that process. It doesn't bother me one bit. The cop knew he was in the wrong and used his position to intimidate the rider. That is an abuse of position of you ask me. My Dad was a LEO so I can speak from both sides of the fence intelligently and with some experience. SouthArk370Z likes this. Last edited by Speedy; 03-07-2013 at 11:38 AM.

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