Used Z06 vs New Z. Pros/Cons?

Zemurray · 01-31-2012, 10:56 AM

I get it, you are a corvette fanboy regardless of your screen name. Any reasonable argument is worthless. If burning oil is acceptable to you, so be it. It wasnt to me. It is a Chevy, all cars are made in different plants. Its not the guy on the shop floor who makes the difference, it's the company's dedication to making quality cars. They don't change that attitude just for one model. If they had it wouldn't have a **** interior like all the other Chevy's and it wouldn't burn oil. The guy on the shop floor isnt designing the motor with the wrong tension oil rings in it, or machining the parts to loose tolerances. If I were going to buy an American muscle car I would get a well equipped 2012 high end mustang thats just as fast, twice the quality, for half the price.

Lug · 01-31-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zemurray

I get it, you are a corvette fanboy regardless of your screen name. Any reasonable argument is worthless. If burning oil is acceptable to you, so be it. It wasnt to me. It is a Chevy, all cars are made in different plants. Its not the guy on the shop floor who makes the difference, it's the company's dedication to making quality cars. They don't change that attitude just for one model. If they had it wouldn't have a **** interior like all the other Chevy's and it wouldn't burn oil. The guy on the shop floor isnt designing the motor with the wrong tension oil rings in it, or machining the parts to loose tolerances. If I were going to buy an American muscle car I would get a well equipped 2012 high end mustang thats just as fast, twice the quality, for half the price.

You might want to take a peek here.....
2011 Nissan 370Z Reliability | U.S. News Best Cars

2011 Chevrolet Corvette Reliability | U.S. News Best Cars

Zemurray · 01-31-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

You might want to take a peek here.....
2011 Nissan 370Z Reliability | U.S. News Best Cars

2011 Chevrolet Corvette Reliability | U.S. News Best Cars

How you can even quantify reliability on a 2011 model car is beyond me. Those consumer reports on reliability are a joke. Measure it on a 10 year scale, not an off the lot test drive scale.

Lug · 02-01-2012, 12:30 PM

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How you can even quantify reliability on a 2011 model car is beyond me. Those consumer reports on reliability are a joke. Measure it on a 10 year scale, not an off the lot test drive scale.

so.......they didn't agree with you....got it!

How about this. From the same guys, the 350Z over it's lifetime (2003 - 2009) got a 47 rating, the C6 vette for much of the same time (2005 -2010) is rated at a 59. Now the 370Z may be a bit more or less reliable than the 350Z but since you are the one that wants to condemn all vehicles based on some you've had, the shoe has to fit on bith feet. (I made that old saying up on the spot!)

And just to show you my bias, I owned a 95 Camaro and it was the absolute worst piece of s*** ever to grace the roadways of our fine planet.

Zemurray · 02-01-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

so.......they didn't agree with you....got it!

How about this. From the same guys, the 350Z over it's lifetime (2003 - 2009) got a 47 rating, the C6 vette for much of the same time (2005 -2010) is rated at a 59. Now the 370Z may be a bit more or less reliable than the 350Z but since you are the one that wants to condemn all vehicles based on some you've had, the shoe has to fit on bith feet. (I made that old saying up on the spot!)

And just to show you my bias, I owned a 95 Camaro and it was the absolute worst piece of s*** ever to grace the roadways of our fine planet.

Who knows how they arrive at that data? Do they track actual dealer service records? I doubt it.

In any case, I've never owned a 370 (until now) or 350, nor a corvette. I don't really care about the argument one way or another. I've just been so dissatisfied with several GM's that I've owned that I wont give them another chance. That's just me, my experience. I have owned another Nissan that was a great car. And I have owned several other japaneses cars. My experience with Japanese cars of all makes has been fantastic. I've loved every one of them and have had great reliability out of them. They have all held up well and still drive like new cars many years later. Even the GMs I've had that did not have significant mechanical failures still drove like **** once they got more mileage on them and felt like buckets of crap. Again, this is my experience, with vehicles that I have owned. I don't really care what some report says that is based on hidden research or data. The 370 might turn out to be a huge pile of **** ( I seriously doubt it, it has a quality fit and finish), but it will be the first Jap car I've owned that is if that's the case. I'm going my way based on vehicles that I've owned, and no one on here can validly argue that or change my mind about it.

ImportConvert · 02-01-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zemurray

Who knows how they arrive at that data? Do they track actual dealer service records? I doubt it.

In any case, I've never owned a 370 (until now) or 350, nor a corvette. I don't really care about the argument one way or another. I've just been so dissatisfied with several GM's that I've owned that I wont give them another chance. That's just me, my experience. I have owned another Nissan that was a great car. And I have owned several other japaneses cars. My experience with Japanese cars of all makes has been fantastic. I've loved every one of them and have had great reliability out of them. They have all held up well and still drive like new cars many years later. Even the GMs I've had that did not have significant mechanical failures still drove like **** once they got more mileage on them and felt like buckets of crap. Again, this is my experience, with vehicles that I have owned. I don't really care what some report says that is based on hidden research or data. The 370 might turn out to be a huge pile of **** ( I seriously doubt it, it has a quality fit and finish), but it will be the first Jap car I've owned that is if that's the case. I'm going my way based on vehicles that I've owned, and no one on here can validly argue that or change my mind about it.

Consumer Reports are worthless, I agree. PPH industry numbers are much more useful. Nissan won't publish any like Ford or GM, though, that I have found. So we are all left guessing.

I had a friend with a 350Z. I had a 2001 WS6 Trans Am. her 350Z had way more rattles and a far shittier interior than my WS6. Experiences vary...

I'm not a fan-boy, nor do I have any strong emotion about an automobile company one way or the other. It's a machine, and as such--just the facts, please.

you know nothing relevant to the plaform from your Camaro experience. The chassis, engine, transmission, EVERYTHING are different from your car, in the new C6. Your opinion on the matter is as moot as me comparing my G20 to your 370Z and saying that the motor-mounts in your 370Z were poorly designed because the one's in my FWD G20/Sentra were. Pure ignorance.

nuTinmuch · 01-31-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zemurray

I get it, you are a corvette fanboy regardless of your screen name. Any reasonable argument is worthless. If burning oil is acceptable to you, so be it. It wasnt to me. It is a Chevy, all cars are made in different plants. Its not the guy on the shop floor who makes the difference, it's the company's dedication to making quality cars. They don't change that attitude just for one model. If they had it wouldn't have a **** interior like all the other Chevy's and it wouldn't burn oil. The guy on the shop floor isnt designing the motor with the wrong tension oil rings in it, or machining the parts to loose tolerances. If I were going to buy an American muscle car I would get a well equipped 2012 high end mustang thats just as fast, twice the quality, for half the price.

GM has changed a lot in the past few years.

But whatever. As much as he might be a "Corvette fanboy" or whatever, you're clearly just as much of a GM hater. There have been a ton of GM cars in my family over the years, and we've never had a major problem with them.

This includes sports cars, econoboxes, mid-size sedans, etc. None of them ever gave us trouble.

I would DD a Corvette. Easily.

Zemurray · 01-31-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

GM has changed a lot in the past few years.

But whatever. As much as he might be a "Corvette fanboy" or whatever, you're clearly just as much of a GM hater. .

You are correct, but my hatred of gm is justified and based on years of my own experience. I've owned quite a few and used to be a Chevy guy.

ImportConvert · 02-01-2012, 09:33 PM

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You are correct, but my hatred of gm is justified and based on years of my own experience. I've owned quite a few and used to be a Chevy guy.

I hate nissan, my G20--Sentra derivative from 2002 is a POS. Your 370Z has to be a POS now because of this.

^^^ ^^^

Luckily, my brain doesn't operate like that, so I will buy a 370Z and enjoy it.

birdmanx1 · 02-01-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

^^^ ^^^

May I ask why are you getting rid of your cool Z06 so soon boss?

ImportConvert · 02-01-2012, 09:41 PM

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May I ask why are you getting rid of your cool Z06 so soon boss?

I am moving, I want a smaller amount of cash outflow. Also, please read the post above this one about streetable power. I don't track it. I want a fun, nimble car that isn't necessarily built for the track all the way, as I won't be taking it there. A 370Z will save me roughly $350/mo on insurance and car-note combined. Very nice when contemplating a move and trying to save for a house/land. The Z06/Viper was my dream car in highschool, and I used it as the "carrot" to graduate and get a job. It served its purpose, was a totally awesome experience from ordering to watching them build it to slamming gears in the ZR1's at Spring Mountain Motorsports (included in purchase). I wouldn't trade the experience for the world.

But now, it is time to grow up and buy some land and build a house on it, and I realize after Spring Mountain that this car has so much more power than is ever prudent to apply on the street--since I don't track it, I'm wasting money IMO.

birdmanx1 · 02-01-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I am moving, I want a smaller amount of cash outflow. Also, please read the post above this one about streetable power. I don't track it. I want a fun, nimble car that isn't necessarily built for the track all the way, as I won't be taking it there. A 370Z will save me roughly $350/mo on insurance and car-note combined. Very nice when contemplating a move and trying to save for a house/land.

sounds like you had it well thought, you'll miss the power difference for sure.

Zemurray · 02-02-2012, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I hate nissan, my G20--Sentra derivative from 2002 is a POS. Your 370Z has to be a POS now because of this.

^^^ ^^^

Luckily, my brain doesn't operate like that, so I will buy a 370Z and enjoy it.

Good for you.

And btw, the 2013 mustang gt500 will eat a z06 for lunch and cost $30k less. Maybe you should get one of those.

nuTinmuch · 02-02-2012, 12:51 PM

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Good for you.

And btw, the 2013 mustang gt500 will eat a z06 for lunch and cost $30k less. Maybe you should get one of those.

Unlikely.

Red__Zed · 02-02-2012, 07:18 PM

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Good for you.

And btw, the 2013 mustang gt500 will eat a z06 for lunch and cost $30k less. Maybe you should get one of those.

yeah, no...that ain't gonna happen.

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Zemurray Base Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: La Grange, KY Posts: 117 Drives: 78 280z, 40th 370z Rep Power: 15	I get it, you are a corvette fanboy regardless of your screen name. Any reasonable argument is worthless. If burning oil is acceptable to you, so be it. It wasnt to me. It is a Chevy, all cars are made in different plants. Its not the guy on the shop floor who makes the difference, it's the company's dedication to making quality cars. They don't change that attitude just for one model. If they had it wouldn't have a **** interior like all the other Chevy's and it wouldn't burn oil. The guy on the shop floor isnt designing the motor with the wrong tension oil rings in it, or machining the parts to loose tolerances. If I were going to buy an American muscle car I would get a well equipped 2012 high end mustang thats just as fast, twice the quality, for half the price.