New Mustang 5.0L confirmed HP

theDreamer · 12-19-2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Yes, high power might help play catch up on the straights and may help keep up with weaker but better handling cars. But tighter more technical tracks may negate this advantage. Regardless, taking corners is more fun, and requires better engineering and driving skill than simply going fast in a straight line.

Again, if it was all about a car meeting daily driver needs and nothing more, then no car would come with more than 250 hp, no car would have a top speed greater than 120 km/h, no car would come with high performance summer tires, or big brakes and calipers. In fact, we'd all be driving minivans and crossover suv.

And where does this drivel about mustangs being a good bang for the buck come from? Over here, the 2010 gt mustang with the v8 4.6 engine that makes a measly 315 hp, FIVE speed manual, and the optional track package has msrp of about 41000. The 370z touring with about 15 hp more out of a v6 with almost 1 litre less displacement, SIX speed manual with SRM, independent suspension, and the sport package has an MSRP of 45500. Hardly a bargain considering the z is faster, better quality, better fit and finish, better reliability, better image, and better resale value.

Car making should be about innovation, about new technology. That's why they have engineers, and an R and D budget. Their objective should be coming up with something new, refreshing and updating their product, and push themselves to their limits, not just recycling stale outdated products just because people keep buying them. Look at nissan, they created innovative new technology with the vvel, synchrorev, and in the future possibly direct injection. did they have to do that? no. would people buy nissans if they didn't? for sure.

Speaking of innovation, i heard that nascar has recently taken a very bold and innovative step and will begin experimenting with fuel injection

You really do not think the new 5.0L is innovation? The American muscle car pretty much died in the 70/80 era because of very strict environmental law changes. We are finally see a return to what American power cars are about, no not your 80,000USD Corvette, but your average American can own power (Mustang/Camaro/G8 GXP/etc.).

The bold part of your quote, I would say it takes more driving skill to handle a Mustang around a track than a 370z.
Nascar has very strict rules on what the competitors can alter in their cars, guess what, it is like that in every race league. Yes, some are a bit more R&D into modern technology, but Nascar has found its niche and attempts to keep its viewers happy.

m4a1mustang · 12-19-2009, 11:31 AM

Yeah -- if you want technical innovation in racing watch something else. NASCAR is oriented towards close competition (though tour one of the top teams shops and you will be surprised at the F1-level technologies they use to perfect the very old school tech that's actually in the cars).

There has been a lot of pressure to modernize the cars -- their main worry was being able to keep tight control over everything, but with standardized ECUs ala F1 there is no reason not to proceed with bringing in the direct-injected V8s that have been in the works for a while.

VW also wants in, but they are hesitant to join if they can't easily justify using NASCAR to help sell their cars. Given the state of GM and Chrysler, the only two strong manufacturers in NASCAR right now are Ford and Toyota, so making changes to attract other makes is a smart business decision.

It's also a hedge against future "green" attacks that Congress will mount against NASCAR's carburetor engines.

It's all very simple. If you cloud your thought with hate, however, comprehension just flies over the top of your head.

BrokenVow · 12-19-2009, 05:17 PM

I wouldn't choose a Mustang over a Z unless it was a Terminator. But the difference in handling between the current Mustang and the Z is about the same as the Z vs the S2K; significant, but nothing catastrophic.

To me it seems like Pharmacist had a friend he really looked up to and aspired to be like, and that friend didn't like LRAs. So ever since, he has clung pathetically to the idea that live-axles are the bane of society, and he must at all cost insult them, despite a vast ignorance, lack of track time in any aforementioned vehicle, or a firm foundation at all, just to affirm that his friends opinion is correct, as to remain in that friends good graces.

But that's just what it seems like.

m4a1mustang · 12-19-2009, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrokenVow

I wouldn't choose a Mustang over a Z unless it was a Terminator. But the difference in handling between the current Mustang and the Z is about the same as the Z vs the S2K; significant, but nothing catastrophic.

To me it seems like Pharmacist had a friend he really looked up to and aspired to be like, and that friend didn't like LRAs. So ever since, he has clung pathetically to the idea that live-axles are the bane of society, and he must at all cost insult them, despite a vast ignorance, lack of track time in any aforementioned vehicle, or a firm foundation at all, just to affirm that his friends opinion is correct, as to remain in that friends good graces.

But that's just what it seems like.

+1 rep.

12-19-2009, 11:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Yeah -- if you want technical innovation in racing watch something else. NASCAR is oriented towards close competition (though tour one of the top teams shops and you will be surprised at the F1-level technologies they use to perfect the very old school tech that's actually in the cars). There has been a lot of pressure to modernize the cars -- their main worry was being able to keep tight control over everything, but with standardized ECUs ala F1 there is no reason not to proceed with bringing in the direct-injected V8s that have been in the works for a while. VW also wants in, but they are hesitant to join if they can't easily justify using NASCAR to help sell their cars. Given the state of GM and Chrysler, the only two strong manufacturers in NASCAR right now are Ford and Toyota, so making changes to attract other makes is a smart business decision. It's also a hedge against future "green" attacks that Congress will mount against NASCAR's carburetor engines. It's all very simple. If you cloud your thought with hate, however, comprehension just flies over the top of your head. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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12-19-2009, 05:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
BrokenVow Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tacoma, Wa Posts: 37 Drives: 2004 Volvo S60R 6MT Rep Power: 18	I wouldn't choose a Mustang over a Z unless it was a Terminator. But the difference in handling between the current Mustang and the Z is about the same as the Z vs the S2K; significant, but nothing catastrophic. To me it seems like Pharmacist had a friend he really looked up to and aspired to be like, and that friend didn't like LRAs. So ever since, he has clung pathetically to the idea that live-axles are the bane of society, and he must at all cost insult them, despite a vast ignorance, lack of track time in any aforementioned vehicle, or a firm foundation at all, just to affirm that his friends opinion is correct, as to remain in that friends good graces. But that's just what it seems like.