The best 911 is back after 2 years....

Hotrodz · 03-07-2017, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

It just makes sense that a machine can be more responsive than a human for sure. The manual in the BMW M4 was just horrible compared to the Z, but the DCT was pretty impressive when I test drove them. I have subscribed to the ideology that a true sports car is a manual, but my next car is going to be a daily driver, so my requirements are less rigid (even though sedans are out).

I took a spin with go fast guy in a new m3 with a dc on my last track day....simply bad ***! Buttery smooth!!!

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Hotrodz · 03-07-2017, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Performance gap disappearing??? LMFAO!!
DCT has had an advantage over manual for 15+ years. When the Z first came out. They auto was the 4.6 to 60 and the manual was 4.9. with the auto having a .2 second lead in the quarter mile.
So I would say that auto superiority has been a long time happening. It's just manual heads are NOW FINALLY beginning to accept that manuals might be more fun.... I'll give you that. But have been honestly the inferior transmission for a decade. There's just no argument to that...

That said, I think it's AMAZING that Porsche did make a row your own in the GT-3. Cuz the 911R is freakin pricey.

I agree on that the auto is now more better (pun intended) but it has an evolution of things. The old autos were not reliable and putting high horsepower to them ended badly. Those issues were a lot less for a manual. What cracks up is the all the talk about having to row gears on a manual versus an auto...it's the same but different lol!

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UNKNOWN_370 · 03-07-2017, 10:57 AM

I would say the "purest" form of sports car driving is a manual. But the word "true", that goes somewhere else and then I'd have to disagree.

I like both flappy paddles and manuals. I feel the paddles create a little more versatility. As far as DCT/Auto, "not being true sports cars"? With that I take mild issue as to me. I don't think that leaving out the step of not having to depress a clutch wouldn't suddenly make a car, not a true sports car. I believe if the car was made with a non shifting auto, that would be more conducive to a car NOT being a true sports car. Another thing would be CVT transmission which removes gear changes from the equation altogether.

Firebase99 · 03-07-2017, 11:03 AM

It's just a matter of semantics, metrics go to autos now. Thats a fact. A human with a mechanical interface will NEVER be as efficient as an electronic interface. Just simple physics. Fun factor? Row, row row row your gears gently down the track....

chubbs · 03-08-2017, 01:36 PM

You'll be delighted to hear that Carlos Ghosn is stepping down soon. Be careful what you wish for...

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-09-2017, 11:14 AM

The lineup...

Porsche sells 21 versions of the 911 in the US — now including the GT3 - Business Insider

BlackZeda · 03-10-2017, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The lineup...

Porsche sells 21 versions of the 911 in the US — now including the GT3 - Business Insider

Porsches have always had a great, unique look, but damn!...the current 911 and Cayman models are really sexy.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-14-2017, 10:44 AM

No Extra Charge For A Six-Speed Manual On The New Porsche 911 GT3 [32 Images]

The above article tells you Porsche NOT charging EXTRA for the manual.

Here's where people believe the hype and fail to smell the bullshyt. On a regular carrera, there's about a $4500 premium for a PDK give or take a couple hundred bucks.

So in reality you're paying a $4,500 premium for a manual. Lol. Reee dickyou lie

And don't you have to get on a list for Porsche approval of the GT3 Manual? I'll take the PDK.

BlackZeda · 03-14-2017, 11:30 AM

Porschenomics

Cayman's $60K list price = $100K if you want a Porsche-like interior

Hotrodz · 03-14-2017, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

No Extra Charge For A Six-Speed Manual On The New Porsche 911 GT3 [32 Images]

The above article tells you Porsche NOT charging EXTRA for the manual.

Here's where people believe the hype and fail to smell the bullshyt. On a regular carrera, there's about a $4500 premium for a PDK give or take a couple hundred bucks.

So in reality you're paying a $4,500 premium for a manual. Lol. Reee dickyou lie

And don't you have to get on a list for Porsche approval of the GT3 Manual? I'll take the PDK.

LMAO...I here you on the "non-mark up!" I bought a brand new Ford F350 Powerstroke 4x4 back when they first hit the market in 1995. I had it built the way I wanted and opted for manual locking hubs because the electronic one's were garbage back then. The fleet manager laughed and said that is going to cost you more because it is an upgrade since all there 4x4s come with electronic hubs. I laughed too and paid for the upgrade...same thing applies here!

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UNKNOWN_370 · 03-14-2017, 01:00 PM

I often wonder how much fun a Porsche 911 GT3 can actually be on the street? You have 500HP but you have to shove 373lbs of torque through 7 gears & 9,000rpm? I am trying to process this in my head. In street driving, wouldn't this car feel completely torqueless?

It really seems like a track only engine on a street car?? Maybe someone here has test driven a GT3?

Firebase99 · 03-14-2017, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I often wonder how much fun a Porsche 911 GT3 can actually be on the street? You have 500HP but you have to shove 373lbs of torque through 7 gears & 9,000rpm? I am trying to process this in my head. In street driving, wouldn't this car feel completely torqueless?

It really seems like a track only engine on a street car?? Maybe someone here has test driven a GT3?

I have, my neighbor had a 2012. And yes, it almost seemed torqueless. I had one fairly tender lap driving at Sebring, you had to give it the beans ALL the time. Dont get me wrong its brutally quick in the right hands, but as a daily, Ive often had my reservations.

ZCanadian · 03-14-2017, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

I have, my neighbor had a 2012. And yes, it almost seemed torqueless. I had one fairly tender lap driving at Sebring, you had to give it the beans ALL the time. Dont get me wrong its brutally quick in the right hands, but as a daily, Ive often had my reservations.

I was lucky enough to get some hot laps in a GT3RS driven by the local Porsche dealership owner (old school mate) last summer. He is an excellent driver, and man that thing was quick around the track. But my impression was also that it needs to be on the racetrack, and driven all out. I'm not sure you get your money's worth out of it if you don't, but do you want to put a car you just spent that much money on in harm's way like that? Definitely a decision well above my pay grade!

DCNISMO · 03-14-2017, 04:25 PM

a GT3 or GT3RS is meant for the track, so sure putting around on the street it might feel down on power, but go ask the shop in KC if its gutless, since one go their techs was able to spin one out and hit brick wall and pretty much destroy it. I've had two CTSV's and now on my second 911 C4S. The V will no doubt pull on an open road with torque....but on a twist road the 911 eats it up. IF you want both....go test drive a 997 Twin Turbo......that is one insane car, with all the power and handling you need. Its scary fast. Al,lost like a liter sport bike, its very hard to find a place to legally have fun with it....unless you re on a track. want some REAL fun....go try a 911 GT2 or forbid a GT2RS......its a widowmaker

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-14-2017, 04:51 PM

I'm looking at the 991.2 GTS. I think the new turbo engines are what the doctor ordered for Porsche... I wish the car itself had more drama to the looks for the money. I'm dying for the GTS reviews to hit. I like what I hear about the 991.2 carreras. The GTS should really be perfection and the best all round value.

03-07-2017, 10:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	I would say the "purest" form of sports car driving is a manual. But the word "true", that goes somewhere else and then I'd have to disagree. I like both flappy paddles and manuals. I feel the paddles create a little more versatility. As far as DCT/Auto, "not being true sports cars"? With that I take mild issue as to me. I don't think that leaving out the step of not having to depress a clutch wouldn't suddenly make a car, not a true sports car. I believe if the car was made with a non shifting auto, that would be more conducive to a car NOT being a true sports car. Another thing would be CVT transmission which removes gear changes from the equation altogether. BlackZeda and Hotrodz like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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Firebase99 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: fl Posts: 1,372 Drives: 14 3.8 Gen Coupe GT Rep Power: 14035	It's just a matter of semantics, metrics go to autos now. Thats a fact. A human with a mechanical interface will NEVER be as efficient as an electronic interface. Just simple physics. Fun factor? Row, row row row your gears gently down the track.... BlackZeda likes this. __________________ '14 3.8 Genesis Coupe, '13 Volvo S60, '04 Honda Accord, '13 370Z-sold, '05 350Z Touring-sold, '92 300Z Twin Turbo-sold, '82 280ZX-gone, '79 260Z-gone

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chubbs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Zeeland Posts: 1,046 Drives: 2016 370z Auto-Grey Rep Power: 7588	You'll be delighted to hear that Carlos Ghosn is stepping down soon. Be careful what you wish for... __________________ . '03 Grey >>> '06 Black >>>'10 Silver >>> '16 Grey ^

03-09-2017, 11:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	The lineup... Porsche sells 21 versions of the 911 in the US — now including the GT3 - Business Insider BlackZeda likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	How America Falls For Corporate Brainwashing!!! No Extra Charge For A Six-Speed Manual On The New Porsche 911 GT3 [32 Images] The above article tells you Porsche NOT charging EXTRA for the manual. Here's where people believe the hype and fail to smell the bullshyt. On a regular carrera, there's about a $4500 premium for a PDK give or take a couple hundred bucks. So in reality you're paying a $4,500 premium for a manual. Lol. Reee dickyou lie And don't you have to get on a list for Porsche approval of the GT3 Manual? I'll take the PDK. BlackZeda and Hotrodz like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 03-14-2017 at 10:47 AM.

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BlackZeda A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 1,109 Drives: 19 Audi TT RS Rep Power: 24	Porschenomics Cayman's $60K list price = $100K if you want a Porsche-like interior UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	I often wonder how much fun a Porsche 911 GT3 can actually be on the street? You have 500HP but you have to shove 373lbs of torque through 7 gears & 9,000rpm? I am trying to process this in my head. In street driving, wouldn't this car feel completely torqueless? It really seems like a track only engine on a street car?? Maybe someone here has test driven a GT3? Hotrodz and Firebase99 like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

03-14-2017, 04:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 180	a GT3 or GT3RS is meant for the track, so sure putting around on the street it might feel down on power, but go ask the shop in KC if its gutless, since one go their techs was able to spin one out and hit brick wall and pretty much destroy it. I've had two CTSV's and now on my second 911 C4S. The V will no doubt pull on an open road with torque....but on a twist road the 911 eats it up. IF you want both....go test drive a 997 Twin Turbo......that is one insane car, with all the power and handling you need. Its scary fast. Al,lost like a liter sport bike, its very hard to find a place to legally have fun with it....unless you re on a track. want some REAL fun....go try a 911 GT2 or forbid a GT2RS......its a widowmaker

03-14-2017, 04:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	I'm looking at the 991.2 GTS. I think the new turbo engines are what the doctor ordered for Porsche... I wish the car itself had more drama to the looks for the money. I'm dying for the GTS reviews to hit. I like what I hear about the 991.2 carreras. The GTS should really be perfection and the best all round value. BlackZeda likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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