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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 And the driver won't be charged, so the DA seems to believe he was justified in the force he used. Or that public opinion wouldn't support

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Old 10-02-2013, 09:23 AM   #76 (permalink)
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And the driver won't be charged, so the DA seems to believe he was justified in the force he used.
Or that public opinion wouldn't support charging him. It's like the reverse of the GZ case (charging because popular opinion demanded it.

Our legal system is surprisingly political. If public opinion went a different way, you'd see a different result.
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what do you purport that the picture shows?
If it wasn't slashed or tampered with then the tire manufacturer is about to have a massive recall.
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If it wasn't slashed or tampered with then the tire manufacturer is about to have a massive recall.
Assumptions like that are unlikely to stand up in court. It's entirely possible the tire went flat running over the massive NY potholes at speed. It's also possible that he flattened his own tire running over a motorcycle.


This uncertainty is likely why they are unlikely to press charges (against the driver or the bikers). What happened in the initial stop is critical to determining where charges can stick.

If I'm the driver, I defend my case by saying tires were slashed in the initial altercation and feared for my life/that of my family. I walk.

If I'm the maybe-tire-slashing-biker, I point out that you cannot see any indication that I slashed the tires. There's video of the altercation but no indication of tire slashing. There's nothing to say you didn't flatten them while shattering my buddies femur. I also walk.
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Wow, I'm amazed they aren't prosecuting the 2 guys... That's kinda BS...

And just to throw my 2 cents into the fountain. If there is a biker gang, or any gang or just a bunch of DBag drivers doing what these guys were doing to me and my wife and child. I'd run over them, I'd shoot them, I'd do ANYTHING in my power to keep them safe. And YES I do think he gets Carte Blanc. You want him to go, oh, so you're beating on my car and windows while your 30 buddies are surrounding my car. Mmmhmmmm, let me selectively run people over to get the fùck out... No... Just get the fùck out...
"Innocent" guy was run over, sorry, your group picked on innocent guy to fùck with, I guess it sucks it was you, but it sucks you guys chose him in the first place.
And if me and my moron friends were the bikers trying to harass a guy in a car, let alone a RANGE ROVER, I wouldn't be standing anywhere near the front of it.


And this is a bit prickish to post because I DO support the armed forces. But if the driver should be charged for injuring/killing/paralyzing an "innocent" guy, we should be prosecuting every troop or bomber who killed an innocent civilian.
I disagree, it's war, shít happens, and the driver of the car was in his own war.
He gets a cool pass by me.



Also, I have family members who are bikers. Just saying
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If there were any question about the legality of the driver using deadly force, I'm sure that the driver would have been arrested and charged along with the bikers. He has not been. Only two of the bikers have been arrested so far.
That could change if new evidence pops up but that seems unlikely to me. But still possible. I would not be at all surprised if Mr RR ends up in court on a civil complaint by the guy that got run over. With today's legal system, the rider just may win. (Remember OJ? Not guilty of criminal charges but they hammered him in civil court.)

Last I heard, they arrested one guy, another turned himself in and was arrested, and they are looking for a third guy. All involved in the beating at the end of the chase. But it's been about 10 hours since I looked.

From what I've seen (more than likely an incomplete picture), Mr RR did what he had to do to protect himself and his family. If I see anything that contradicts that, I'll change my mind. Until then, kudos to Mr RR for effectively protecting his family.

As for the rider that got run over: too bad, so sad. From what I can tell, all the riders were driving in a very dangerous manner (see some of the vids from earlier in the ride) and were acting as a group. Looks to me like Mr RR had every reason to believe that all the riders were going to attack. I can only hope that I would be able to respond as quickly and decisively Mr RR did and save myself and my family.
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Guess no one saw my post about being able to see the biker in the first incident trying to rip the guys for open just before the range rover takes off
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its also not been officially publicized, that the situation that started this. is that the range driver switched lanes into a biker and hit him, then kept driving. that happened just before the camera turned on
With NO proof for that one, I'm gonna call bullshít.

And I doubt that the guy's or anyone else's helmetcam was turned on after the incident, especially since there are other videos from this same guy and group of bikers breaking other laws
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That could change if new evidence pops up but that seems unlikely to me. But still possible. I would not be at all surprised if Mr RR ends up in court on a civil complaint by the guy that got run over. With today's legal system, the rider just may win. (Remember OJ? Not guilty of criminal charges but they hammered him in civil court.)

Last I heard, they arrested one guy, another turned himself in and was arrested, and they are looking for a third guy. All involved in the beating at the end of the chase. But it's been about 10 hours since I looked.

From what I've seen (more than likely an incomplete picture), Mr RR did what he had to do to protect himself and his family. If I see anything that contradicts that, I'll change my mind. Until then, kudos to Mr RR for effectively protecting his family.

As for the rider that got run over: too bad, so sad. From what I can tell, all the riders were driving in a very dangerous manner (see some of the vids from earlier in the ride) and were acting as a group. Looks to me like Mr RR had every reason to believe that all the riders were going to attack. I can only hope that I would be able to respond as quickly and decisively Mr RR did and save myself and my family.
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Biker Speaks Out on Biker - SUV Incident in NYC | RTM - RightThisMinute

SUV driver passed the group and cut off one of them, per one of the riders. He also claims injuries to more of the bikers, but that hasn't been supported by any other news. Then Dbag 1 brake checks the SUV and it goes downhill from there. Although, given the group's history, I'd take any of their testimony with a large grain of salt- especially the part where he claims they were obeying the law with dozens of videos online of them being squids.
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what do you purport that the picture shows?
It's coincidence then?.... Are you claiming it happened at the last incident? All I'm saying is that the tires had to be slashed a good distance before the last incident to be completely gone.

You even see the RR leaning in the front right corner in the video after the first encounter. Not only that, but no one who's stepped forward is denying that happened. Their argument is something happened before hand which somehow gave them free reign to stop the guy in the Range Rover.
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It's coincidence then?.... Are you claiming it happened at the last incident? All I'm saying is that the tires had to be slashed a good distance before the last incident to be completely gone.

You even see the RR leaning in the front right corner in the video after the first encounter. Not only that, but no one who's stepped forward is denying that happened. Their argument is something happened before hand which somehow gave them free reign to stop the guy in the Range Rover.

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SUV driver passed the group and cut off one of them, per one of the riders. He also claims injuries to more of the bikers, but that hasn't been supported by any other news. Then Dbag 1 brake checks the SUV and it goes downhill from there. Although, given the group's history, I'd take any of their testimony with a large grain of salt.
Even IF I assumed these bikers were telling the truth... Um... People get cut off ALLLLLLLL the time, what, have these guys never been cut off before? They haven't had to deal with a bit shitty drivers? Isn't it THEIR prerogative to get back on the bike day after day?

Taking that into account, brake checking the guy is the next logical plan of action??? What did you think would happen??? I guess that from 4 feet away, the RR driver, because he's Asian, has the reflexes of a god damn ninja.
Um, no... He's going to hit you, and HONESTLY, you should be happy you were hit OFF your bike, not UNDER his beast, because in my eyes, that biker's head should've been under a Michelin.
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There's no doubt he'll be civilly sued by the paralyzed rider. I hope they cram that lawsuit back down Captain Cripplevan's throat, because if you're in a group of people doing stupid/illegal ****, you don't get to complain when you become collateral damage.
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Even IF I assumed these bikers were telling the truth... Um... People get cut off ALLLLLLLL the time, what, have these guys never been cut off before? They haven't had to deal with a bit shitty drivers? Isn't it THEIR prerogative to get back on the bike day after day?

Taking that into account, brake checking the guy is the next logical plan of action??? What did you think would happen??? I guess that from 4 feet away, the RR driver, because he's Asian, has the reflexes of a god damn ninja.
Um, no... He's going to hit you, and HONESTLY, you should be happy you were hit OFF your bike, not UNDER his beast, because in my eyes, that biker's head should've been under a Michelin.
I completely agree with you. I just posted that because it's the first response from the flock of squids. And I think he's the one in the group with the cleanest record to trot out there for damage control. And I think he's completely full of **** based on the group's previous videos they put online and previous encounters.
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