Bikers Attack Driver After Accident: Caught on Tape

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tazicon

This is like picking a fight with a guy, getting beat up then you sue the guy you picked the fight with. This whole thing should have been stopped long before it escalated. The mom suing should look at her son and the way she raised him then sue herself for having been a crappy parent. If her son was raised right he wouldn't have been a part of those stupid actions.

The only thing in question is who "really" (from a legal perspective) started the fight. There are a number of reasons to assume the bikers, but evidence at this point is still unclear.

Lothario · 10-02-2013, 11:42 AM

how do we know this range rover wasnt stolen? and these bikers were just trying to return it to its rightful owner?

or maybe it was being repoed

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothario

how do we know this range rover wasnt stolen? and these bikers were just trying to return it to its rightful owner?

or maybe it was being repoed

Or maybe they were just stopping to tell him that his wife left her purse on the roof when she strapped in the baby.

theDreamer · 10-02-2013, 11:44 AM

Or maybe they were letting him know he had a brake light out, hence why the bike was slowing down in front of him.

andre12031948 · 10-02-2013, 11:56 AM

I would stay still. Not press the gas to run over a biker, his bike & keep going. Surely he felt his front end go up after the front wheels went on top & over the bike. That's hit, run over & run in my book.

Were the bikers wearing Hell's Angels or Son's of Anarchy jackets?????

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

I would stay still. Not press the gas to run over a biker, his bike & keep going. Surely he felt his front end go up after the front wheels went on top & over the bike. That's hit, run over & run in my book.

You didn't read the rest of the thread, did you? He didn't just run over a biker out of the blue.

andre12031948 · 10-02-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

You didn't read the rest of the thread, did you? He didn't just run over a biker out of the blue.

Someone made a sudden stop/slowed down in front of him? Someone knocked on his door? In my opinion, he was going too fast considering there were so many bikes around him. Then he said, "I'll show them!" My opinion

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

Someone made a sudden stop/slowed down in front of him? Someone knocked on his door? In my opinion, he was going too fast considering there were so many bikes around him. Then he said, "I'll show them!" My opinion

Go back and read the thread and the linked articles, then come back. Your opinion is way off base.

Cmike2780 · 10-02-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

Someone made a sudden stop/slowed down in front of him? Someone knocked on his door? In my opinion, he was going too fast considering there were so many bikes around him. Then he said, "I'll show them!" My opinion

That's a lot of blanks you just filled.

DEpointfive0 · 10-02-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lothario

how do we know this range rover wasnt stolen? and these bikers were just trying to return it to its rightful owner?

or maybe it was being repoed

Yep, and because we (I) already established that since he's a Ninja, because he's Asian, he managed to buckle his kid in with a baby seat in record time!

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Or maybe they were just stopping to tell him that his wife left her purse on the roof when she strapped in the baby.

LOL!!! (My gf is Chinese, and assuming his wife is Asian...) she isn't talk enough...

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Or maybe they were letting him know he had a brake light out, hence why the bike was slowing down in front of him.

LOL, yeah, showing him up close of what a brake light is supposed to look like

FairladyZ10PG · 10-02-2013, 11:50 AM

I don't know if you've already mentioned but just curious Red_Zed. What would you have done in that situation?

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG

I don't know if you've already mentioned but just curious Red_Zed. What would you have done in that situation?

It depends on what specifically happened, but I would not use deadly force in a situation where there was no other way to escape.

Backing up a bit, I would not be in that situation. I avoid states that do not allow for full use of a self-defense, so I would likely not be driving in NY in the first place.

If I came across a group of bikers taking up two lanes, I would move over to the right lane...because squids like that generally signal trouble. Legally not required, but the smart way to avoid conflict. If the accident was unavoidable and all that, I'd pull over and call the cops with the passenger taking a video recording in case things got messy.

FairladyZ10PG · 10-02-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It depends on what specifically happened, but I would not use deadly force in a situation where there was no other way to escape.

Backing up a bit, I would not be in that situation. I avoid states that do not allow for full use of a self-defense, so I would likely not be driving in NY in the first place.

If I came across a group of bikers taking up two lanes, I would move over to the right lane...because squids like that generally signal trouble. Legally not required, but the smart way to avoid conflict. If the accident was unavoidable and all that, I'd pull over and call the cops with the passenger taking a video recording in case things got messy.

That's smart. However, not everyone can stay as calm and collected when faced with such situation. I'm assuming this guy panicked and made what he believed to be the best possible decision at the time. He may or may not regret the decision to run over the bikers and do not know if he would do the same thing if it happened all over again. I guess what I'm trying to say is that not everyone handles pressured situations the same way. I don't know how the "Law" would handle this one but I'm behind the RR driver from what I have seen thus far.

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG

That's smart. However, not everyone can stay as calm and collected when faced with such situation. I'm assuming this guy panicked and made what he believed to be the best possible decision at the time. He may or may not regret the decision to run over the bikers and do not know if he would do the same thing if it happened all over again. I guess what I'm trying to say is that not everyone handles pressured situations the same way. I don't know how the "Law" would handle this one but I'm behind the RR driver from what I have seen thus far.

I'm not making any personal judgment against anyone, just trying to bring to light the legal implications of these decisions.

SouthArk370Z · 10-02-2013, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'm not making any personal judgment against anyone, just trying to bring to light the legal implications of these decisions.

So far, it doesn't look like anybody is taking offense to anything being said. Considering the subject, I'd say things are going amazingly well. You make some very good legal points (I assume they are good, I'm no lawyer) but this isn't a court of law. If I were sitting on a jury, I'd be more worried about the technicalities. As it is, I'm just Some Guy On The Intertubes.

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Lothario Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: florida Posts: 361 Drives: nikes Rep Power: 15	how do we know this range rover wasnt stolen? and these bikers were just trying to return it to its rightful owner? or maybe it was being repoed