Bikers Attack Driver After Accident: Caught on Tape

Cmike2780 · 10-02-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothario

ive seen so many condescending, self righteous, down right ignorant and rude posts on this forum. most the times aimed at people that ask simple questions. heaven forbid a newbie comes on here and insults half the gods of nissan here with their lack of awe inspiring knowledge. then just like these bikers a pack of arrogant Z owners jumps all over them. its disappointing. there are some good people on here, but definitely arent as common as the more negative members.

and yes i do realize now ill be a target for some good ol online flaming. but i could care a less. im just stating my opinion based on numerous examples ive seen. its a shame

That's not at all what it's about....but come on. I have a ton of friends that ride motorcycles. I'd tell them the same thing if they did anything this stupid. It's not even an attack on people who ride. It's about these assclowns that make ALL riders look bad. Their complete disregard for anyone else on the road makes all bikers that much more vulnerable.

Also, you probably shouldn't call everyone a pussy because they don't "stunt" or claim we're condescending in condescending tone.

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I've not seen anything backing up those claims of the hitting/tire slashing in the first incident. I'm not sure how you can tell your tires are being slashed from inside a car, either.

If that was happening, you can certainly change the equation, though I'm not a lawyer and unclear on where the transition is. Legally, running someone over is more or less equivalent to shooting them. Could he have shot the biker he ran over?

Breaking one law doesn't necessarily give someone else carte blanche to infringe on your rights. The fact that I'm driving like a jerk doesn't mean that you can hit and run, and then run over my friend. Driving over someone like that requires that you have a reasonable fear for your life/safety.

Every state has their own laws on deadly force, but I'm pretty sure NYs are not as favorable (as, say, Florida).

If there were any question about the legality of the driver using deadly force, I'm sure that the driver would have been arrested and charged along with the bikers. He has not been. Only two of the bikers have been arrested so far.

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

If there were any question about the legality of the driver using deadly force, I'm sure that the driver would have been arrested and charged along with the bikers. He has not been. Only two of the bikers have been arrested so far.

Arrest decisions are made based on public opinion and officer discretion, not necessarily the letter of the law.

Lothario · 10-02-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

That's not at all what it's about....but come on. I have a ton of friends that ride motorcycles. I'd tell them the same thing if they did anything this stupid. It's not even an attack on people who ride. It's about these assclowns that make every make ALL riders look bad. Their complete disregard for anyone else on the road makes all bikers that much more vulnerable.

Also, you probably shouldn't call everyone a pussy because they don't "stunt" or claim we're condescending in condescending tone.

i think you may have meant to direct that last part towards someone else. lol

and my comments were general, not just on this specific forum topic.

Cmike2780 · 10-02-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I've not seen anything backing up those claims of the hitting/tire slashing in the first incident. I'm not sure how you can tell your tires are being slashed from inside a car, either.

If that was happening, you can certainly change the equation, though I'm not a lawyer and unclear on where the transition is. Legally, running someone over is more or less equivalent to shooting them. Could he have shot the biker he ran over?

Breaking one law doesn't necessarily give someone else carte blanche to infringe on your rights. The fact that I'm driving like a jerk doesn't mean that you can hit and run, and then run over my friend. Driving over someone like that requires that you have a reasonable fear for your life/safety.

Every state has their own laws on deadly force, but I'm pretty sure NYs are not as favorable (as, say, Florida).

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It was definitely at the first incident. The tire is gone at the last incident. Look at the pic in the article. It doesn't just disappear when you slash it.

You see a guy with a knife going to the front of your car....well.

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Arrest decisions are made based on public opinion and officer discretion, not necessarily the letter of the law.

True, but in most cases they usually arrest and charge everybody, and drop charges as evidence comes to light. Who knows. The NYPD is a strange organization.

In other news, the squid who became a speed bump is exactly the kind of rider you think he is- Lawrence man seriously injured in NYC incident involving SUV and motorcyclists - Metro - The Boston Globe

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

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It was definitely at the first incident. The tire is gone at the last incident. Look at the pic in the article. You see a guy with a knife going to the front of your car....well.

I'd assume the TPMS sensor told him as well. Thank God for run flats.

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

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It was definitely at the first incident. The tire is gone at the last incident. Look at the pic in the article. You see a guy with a knife going to the front of your car....well.

There's nothing indicating when the tire was slashed (or that is was slashed at all) in the video/photo evidence. It was claimed in a press release but there's little to back it up (that has been released).

Neither one of us has all the facts here and I expect they will trickle out over time. Best not to rush to judgment.

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

True, but in most cases they usually arrest and charge everybody, and drop charges as evidence comes to light. Who knows. The NYPD is a strange organization.

In other news, the squid who became a speed bump is exactly the kind of rider you think he is- Lawrence man seriously injured in NYC incident involving SUV and motorcyclists - Metro - The Boston Globe

They have checks and balances that are designed to limit rushing to judgment. Charging and releasing offers little benefit and is much more expensive than only charging those they believe can/should be convicted.

Lothario · 10-02-2013, 09:19 AM

its also not been officially publicized, that the situation that started this. is that the range driver switched lanes into a biker and hit him, then kept driving. that happened just before the camera turned on

Cmike2780 · 10-02-2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

There's nothing indicating when the tire was slashed (or that is was slashed at all) in the video/photo evidence. It was claimed in a press release but there's little to back it up (that has been released).

Neither one of us has all the facts here and I expect they will trickle out over time. Best not to rush to judgment.

geeze...look at the picture.

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothario

its also not been officially publicized, that the situation that started this. is that the range driver switched lanes into a biker and hit him, then kept driving. that happened just before the camera turned on

source?

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

They have checks and balances that are designed to limit rushing to judgment. Charging and releasing offers little benefit and is much more expensive than only charging those they believe can/should be convicted.

And the driver won't be charged, so the DA seems to believe he was justified in the force he used.

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

geeze...look at the picture.

what do you purport that the picture shows?

Lothario · 10-02-2013, 09:22 AM

undisclosed at this point. reliability is questionable.

im still waiting on actually facts/proof.

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Lothario Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: florida Posts: 361 Drives: nikes Rep Power: 13	its also not been officially publicized, that the situation that started this. is that the range driver switched lanes into a biker and hit him, then kept driving. that happened just before the camera turned on

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Lothario Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: florida Posts: 361 Drives: nikes Rep Power: 13	undisclosed at this point. reliability is questionable. im still waiting on actually facts/proof.