I guess the US got screwed on Z prices. After looking into it
nissan gave the canadian 370z a 10k price cut in 2016

Agreed, and I was hoping for a $35k staring price, as well, but knowing that it's still priced similarly to the 350 makes it a little easier to swallow...lol. Unfortunately, I'm not going to be in the market for a new one for a couple years and I'll be loving my 370 until I'm ready. I just got back into the Z so I'm not in the same position as others who have been driving it for years, or a decade, and are exhausted by the wait.

I'm hoping that the changes that were made will make it feel worth the increased price and that it sells well so it's still on sale, or at least has plenty of used options, when I'm ready...lol. That said, the telescoping steering wheel's siren song may be too much and will have me upgrading before I should?!

I'm on the fence. I'd love to get the new Z, but I'll definitely wait a couple of model years before I pull the trigger. It will be interesting to see what will swap over, I may just pick up a tele-column and put it in mine, if it fits. My current car has about 27K on the clock and I'm in no hurry to replace it. :tup:

My assumption is that the EPS is what enabled them to do the telescoping wheel but, hopefully, it'll be swappable. I bought my car with 76k on the clock and I'm about to hit 80k but everything still feels tight as a drum and I'll be replacing bits with upgraded parts as they fail, or as I have the money/desire.

There are several older cars that have tilt/tele columns that don't have electronic power steering. My 2005 Malibu had EPS and it was a pain in the backside. It would intermittently quit working while I was driving and the only way to reset it was to stop the car, turn off the engine & restart. Then when it came time for alignment, part of the setup is to sweep the steering wheel left to right to center the wheels. Doing that would set a check engine light and the idiots aligning the car wanted to charge me extra $$ to 'diagnose' the light. :icon14:

Wrong assumption. My 2014 Infiniti Coupe has POWERED tilt/telescope wheel, you could bolt it right into a similar generation Z if you wanted to as the Infiniti is just a 370ZX 2+2.

Nissan was just being cheap with the 370Z on that.

Let's put the price of the new Z into perspective.

Everyone saying it is overpriced, consider how much a 370Z was....

Then go out and add turbochargers to it. Tell me how much that costs.
Some turbo kits ridiculously mount their turbo and filter UNDER the car
All turbo kits require futzing with the fuel delivery system.
May as well upgrade your clutch, it's gonna need it.
If you have a 7AT, well get ready to double your costs.
A boosted VQ has no inherit advantage over the VR30, in fact, plenty of people have killed many VQ motors just with improper tuning.
So, what's all that cost for a MT car? At least $12K if you can do most of the work yourself? $20K minimum for a completed car out of a shop?
And annoying check engine lights, aftermarket parts that break constantly, you are at the mercy of non-OEM workmanship, many of these turbo kits run iffy turbos......
What a headache.
So, a "Sport" Z may cost $10K more than a base 2021 370Z?
To be fair, although there's not a NISMO Z for 2023, I think it is fair to say the 2023 Z Performance will obviously beat the 2021 3710Z Nismo in a drag race and probably be very close on a track, if not slightly superior due to all of the available power, for $5K more than the 370Z NISMO.

Add in that if you prefer automatic and still want boost, you're better off getting the 2023 Z or Q60 RS with the appropriately beefed up automatic. The VQ 7AT just can't handle the power.

I seriously considered boosting my 2014 Infiniti Coupe, but after seeing all of the headaches associated with all of the countless things that need to happen to even hope to have a sorted car, I just decided it is much better to buy the 2023 Z.

Any idea what the cost would be on something like this? Telescoping steering would be a huge plus for me!

I used to do mods like this "back in the day" fortunately Nissan/Infiniti have very basic electrical systems. If you have a friendly junkyard nearby, see if they can put a 370Z column and a G37/Q60('14 or '15) column next to each other, they should be the exact same mounting dimensions.

Also, remember that later year models won't have the steering column lock, that's the same for the Infiniti G/Q, they dropped it also.

In to see if they've fixed the slave cylinder yet lol

I'd wager that the connectors to hook up the electric tilt/tele are probably under the dash of the Z, just like the power seat connectors are already under the console.

Whats the usefulness of the Turbine speed gauge on a production road car? Again, the triple gauge cluster wasted on useless info. (boost ok)

Specially if available on the digital display anyway.

It was pretty useful in the Chrysler Turbine :icon17:

Video: 2023 Nissan Z Debuts on Jay Leno's Garage
 

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...os-garage.452/

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So Jay doesn't have to travel to NY lol

I'll be in my bunk!

At least Jay's reveal was better than Nissans :rofl2:

Lol true. But thats a terrible comparison. Cause most any youtuber reviews of the Z is better than nissans. Jay is ok.

I'll be in my bunk!

I want my tire pressure gauge back.

X2. There’s some seriously negative muthrfvckers in here.

It’s a damn miracle there’s even a z35 at all considering that a sports car, esp a 2 seater, is a tough sell for any manufacturer and Nissan isn’t in exactly the best financial shape right now.

It’s not a hybrid, (yet); that alone is cause for celebration.

My only concern is the electric steering, even the best setups from Porsche etc still aren’t on par with a hydraulic rack and pinion setup. They’re getting much closer now but I doubt Nissan is gonna match a new 911 electric rack. (Here’s hoping tho).

2005 gm product, that was the root cause of your problem.

Jay Leno is a badass!
One week, he's climbing out of a plane to mess with the pilots, next week he's got a hand's on with what may be the most anticipated Japanese enthusiast car of all time.

Not super useful, I agree. But you may be able to correlate lag to turbine speed, especially useful if you are roll racing a 6MT??

Just grabbing at straws!

It's on the LCD cluster now, shows all 4 tires individually (about time)

Go check out the recent reviews of the new GR86, the consensus is that the 86 is finally the best manifestation of itself possible. Rave reviews about it's steering feel.

The GR86 uses EPS! Subaru and Nissan have been known to utilize the same vendors over the decades.......just sayin'

The new Z isn't using EPS it's using DAS which is the worst version of electric steering.

New Z specs

"Vehicle speed-sensitive electric power steering"

Q60 DAS:
"With the DAS system, steering effort gradually increases with vehicle speed and lateral G,"

https://global.infinitinews.com/en/c...9ae80d78022898

Nissan obviously is burying the fact that their using DAS (due to being known to be terrible steering) since you have to go dig up their technically definition of their DAS to even understand the specifications on the new Z

that's a huge bummer. IIRC there's basically no real mechanical connection between steering wheel and tires with that system

Wrong.

The Infiniti Q's can be had with EPS or DAS. DAS is the one EVERYBODY HATES

The new Z is just getting EPS.

Where did the literature say that the new Z is getting the most hated DBW steering in the world? Link please.....

I can't wait for YouTube reviews of this car; in particular Throttle House and The Straight Pipes. Overall, it's what I expected - it's what we were all asking for - pretty much a 370z with a twin turbo kit and 6MT from the factory. Throw in some interior bits to make it more modern looking and I'm happy. I prefer the looks of the current Z to the new one - but I'm sure I'm a little biased as well as I'm sure as time goes on - my mind will change. I am disappointed in the electric steering feel but...at the same time - I think it was just a matter of time since most cars that way and there isn't very many hydraulic steering anymore. Regardless - if I were looking at used Zs or a new one for that matter and I was looking to turbo/supercharge it - would just make sense to wait and get one from the factory with a warranty.

I hope your right they were vague on their wording and from what I can dig up it matches the wording on the DAS system. Either way any electric steering shouldn't be on the car in the first place. There is no excuse for why they needed to add it when people have shown you can keep the steering in the current Z and drop in a VR30.

I was under that impression myself when I first heard about it however there is still a physical shaft connecting the wheel to the rack. Just massive motors attached to the rack and column.

The beaut of this is that it will force more manufacturers to include this port on their turbines for it to fit this car. Though not necessary it will inform/teach owners about and help the driver operate the car better. (dont expect much if your turbine speed is low)

No complains on this gauge, could have been worse, could have been the 3rd model with a specific gauge for the clock.

I think the reason they put the turbine speed there, is just because it will look cool with the needle always moving.

This is unlike the battery voltage and temperature gauges which move so slowly that they appear static and stationary.

Some things never change, they just get reinvented.

The turbine speed gauge reminds me back in the day when it was the thing to
have a BIG tach mounted on your steering column.
But hell, it did not eliminate the clock.

I know, that's why I got rid of the car for my 2012 Z. :happydance:

I'm honestly really excited for the new Z. Of course even if I was in the market to get one I'd wait a few model years so any issues can be fixed. I'll never buy a first year of a new model and have the risk of a lot sh*t going wrong, just to be that guy that has it first. Just look at the Supra release and how many guys got burnt who bought the launch model.

I do see a few good points here about the steering, but me personally I haven't experienced it first hand so I don't know how different it would feel to me. I'm at 56k miles on the car and daily it, and don't plan on selling anytime soon. But when I approach early 100k miles I might look to sell and not have to deal with the possibility of major issues coming up. Of course they can come up at any time even at what im at now, but would be a little more peace of mind.

If I were to sell my Z honestly the only thing that would really interest me for ~30K would be a V1 Nismo LOL. I've driven my friends STi and that low of hp for AWD just isn't fun to me. Don't get me wrong it seemed a lot more practical, but it's not my taste. For the forseeable future I don't see myself getting rid of a third pedal. I'm sure maybe I'll grow out of it eventually, but definitely not any time soon.

If you go to the Supra forums - it seems like a lot (not all) of the 2021's have their ECU locked still so they can't do a tune other than the JB4 tune. I really like those Supras but.....I really do like having a third pedal as well. :)

Yes, we all know hydraulic steering is better. I posted awhile back, a comparison between my 2017 M2 & 2013 Z, and I preferred the Z's steering as well as a few other things.

Car companies are forced to go hydraulic, because of mpg rating reasons. Especially if they want to include a 6mt into their line up.

Both my cars were/are 6mt, daily drivers and I drive them the same. My Z was stock, with only an axle back exhaust. M2 stock, with only a high flow cat. Please keep in mind, the M2 is faster in every category vs the Z, it's also a slightly larger and more practical car. However I averaged just under 16 mpg on the Z and I'm getting slightly over 18 mpg with the M2. Sizeable difference given the performance/size of each car.

Would I sacrifice 1 mpg on the M2 for hydraulic steering, yes I would. Unfortunatley, car companies can't do this and meet federal mpg guidlines, so something has to go.

Does the M2 steering feel bad? No, not at all, it's just that the Z was better. But the overall balance, handling and speed of the M2, leaves me not concerned about the lack of hydraulic steering. So before getting into a frenzy over the lack of hydraulic steering, let's see how the see Z really performs and drives. We may be pleasantly surprised and I could be back in a Z again.

Fair enough I guess we will see. Also if it's that bad I'd put money on it that it wouldn't be too difficult to swap since people have the VR30 motor in the Z and kept the hydraulic steering. Another thing what in the world are you doing to get 16mpg? I'm getting 24~mpg with a good quarter of my drive in the city. Heck if I baby it I can hit 27mpg. That's with no tune, hfc, and exhaust

He lives in Honolulu, home of the worst traffic in the world. When I was there, there was only one place where you could get to 55 and it was on the H3 out of Kaneohe. Even then, you had to watch out for HPD... :eekdance:

Ghostvette is correct. 75% city driving, and the 25% hwy that i drive, only 5-10 miles average length, plus I live close to a nice, tight mountain twistie.

Hey Ghost, they increased the speed on the H3 to 60, woohoo! :rofl2: Also there's a couple of roads here where you can go 0-100 on a straight without other cars or cross streets around and 5-O can't hide. But I haven't done that for a number of years.