My 2016 GTI had EPS, and it was good, very good.

However, I have heard very bad things about the Nissan/Infiniti EPS, things like it is "the worst ever".

The new 9AT Nissan is using is getting a lot of praise.

It was added mid-life in the Titan and end-of-life in the Frontier. In the Frontier, it replaced the 5AT which was a very good AT.

In the Titan the 9AT replaced the 7AT, everyone who reviews the 2020 Titan really likes the new 9AT and agreed that the 7AT was horrible.

Nissan doesn't make many vehicles that can use the 9AT, so we haven't seen it used in a car yet. Guarantee it's coming to the new Z and Q60.

I'm going to buy a 6MT just because this may be last of a breed.

.....but the GTR is a DCT.

so nissan technically does do DCT lol

A DCT would be a huge game changer, but I highly doubt it’ll happen and it’s way more likely they’ll do the 9AT. However, would it be possible to run the GTR’s DCT to the VR30DDTT?:eek:

yea i know we wont get a DCT because it's nissan and why would you use tech from this decade :facepalm:

the GTR DCT i dont think would work since it's rear mounted. the Z chassis isnt set up for that. would take a whole new chassis i think for that to work.

I'll weigh in on the 9 speed thing as I have personal experience with it.

I had a 2017 Titan Pro4X that got "lemoned" (not technically lemon law action, but a negotiation with Nissan due to my experience with it) and moved into a 2018 Pro4X. My 2017 was a hot pile of garbage. In all the Nissans I owned, it was the only one I had significant trouble with. The transmission was replaced at 2000 miles and that was only the start of my issues with that truck, but I digress.

My 2018 was simply passable. The transmission and gearing in that truck was just not great. The 5.6L is a wonderful engine, but that truck felt half asleep no matter what I was doing, but it did the job. I towed with it (most I towed was probably 6,000 pounds), hauled with it, went on long road trips, and it was mostly fine. Nothing exciting - it was a truck and I'm a Z guy without a Z.

Enter being bored and curious during COVID, and I went and drove a 2020 Pro4X with the new 9 speed. Long story short, I took advantage of inflated used car pricing due to low inventory and available factory incentives and I drove two hours to a dealer that had what I wanted and bought it.

You cannot draw a straight line between the 7AT in the 17-19 Titan and the 9AT in the 2020+ Titan. Not only is my real world fuel economy for my typical everyday drives averaging about 2.3 mpg better (significant in a 15mpg rated half ton with a 23 gallon tank), the responsiveness of my truck at any speed with any kind of throttle input absolutely demolishes the responsiveness in the 15 Q50S 3.7L Sport I had. It downshifts when asked, it doesn't early upshift constantly to keep the engine at idle speeds, and doesn't lug between gears. They paired a better final drive gear with the new 9 speed and the 10 hp increase (when running premium) truly feels like 100hp difference when compared to the old truck.

Gearing is SO important in cars. They make so much power, but the usability of it is all in the transmission. It's why CVTs suck balls. Want to neuter a VQ V6? Pair a CVT to it. Want to completely botch a product like the QX50 that should sell like beer at Oktoberfest? Pair a CVT to it (and a continuously variable engine that's like mechanical sudoku. The QX50 drives like a "choose your own ending" novel that doesn't let you choose the good ending, but alludes that it's there somewhere as long as you keep trying, but again I digress).

If I can make a new Z work in my life, and the 9AT is available, I would have to at least drive it. If it's that good in a 4x4 half ton truck, it should be absolutely monstrous in a sports car application. I know ZF is the gold standard (I own one of those too in a 2020 Audi Q7, and it's very very good), but this new Jatco 9 speed is right up there with it. Many of the truck guys on youtube compare it very favorably to the ZF 8 speed that's in the Ram 1500s right now.

I would wager that you'd just be splitting hairs between that and a DCT, and a DCT would probably price you out of the market with this car if Nissan were to actually build one.

LOL. I clearly brainfarted. I completely forgot about the GT-R. But, I guess in terms of reliability and price they might not put it into Z. Who knows at this point. All speculation until then.

i will say this the GTR DCT is amazing.

highly doubtful Nissan would have a car at 1/2 the price with only 165 less HP and also a DCT. well 145 less than my 2015 vs new GTR's since they bumped again to 565 over the 545. you get my point lol

just wouldn't make sense for them and they have always made sure to separate the Z and GTR.

also i'm 99.9% sure the new Z is just a reskinned 370 which i'm ok with.

someone got a wheelbase measurement before nissan tossed them and it's same as the 370.

personally, after 10 years of owning/driving my 370, i think the handling and feel is amazing.

so i get that plus a TT engine pumping 400hp stock......which instantly will have the warranty voided by me. i'm ok with that.

think final decision will come down to a couple factors.

1. look. i gotta see one in person and touch it.
2. transmission.
3. will the GTR brakes be a sport option or nismo only.
4. color choices. not a deal breaker just curious lol

I stated this right before the proto was released. There will be no DCT for the new Z. So far my source has been spot on with the information he has given me on the new Z. The only thing he said about the transmission was that it would be something that is already in use. I hope to see my spy in about three weeks at the track so I will pump him for more info. Also the Nismo will only be an auto so Fpenvy has more to choose from.

i mean.......you're not wrong.

especially if it's the only model with thr GTR brakes. thats the only model i would buy.

Only Auto for the Nismo? Damn. I was hoping this time around I could get a Manual Z Nismo :/ instead of my previous Touring+Sport

Yea, that would mean the price would def be closer to the $60k mark.

I also have heard from GTR owners that the brakes are good, but they're expensive to replace (maintenance wise). Would you agree?

https://www.motor1.com/news/450407/n...detailed-look/

Heres some guys shooting the shyt over the Z35. Good convo...

Jumping in late on the price argument argument.

If youve driven a red sport. The engine punches above its class. The transmission didnt. But nissan is building up a better transmission of some kind. So im expecting better than q60.
Next, what if the chassis has 50% more tensile steel? Youll be feeling much better rigity grip n traction?

All that for low 40s to start isnt bad.
The only way we will see a 35k Z is if the 300hp engine comes base.

We arent getting 400hp turbo on a 3400lb or less car for $35k. The question is, eill it punch above its weight class or not? If the regular Z handles like the current nismo n the nismo handles better? It will be a vargain 44k with 400hp!

I have a Titan with the 5AT and my Q60 has the 7AT.
Somedays I think the Titan is far more enjoyable to drive just due to how good the 5AT is in it. I've owned the truck over 11 years now, and I don't think the 5AT has ever missed a beat, it has always been perfect with the downshifts, chooses the right times to upshift. If my right foot twitches, it gives me another gear immediately.
However, the 7AT in my Q60 frequently ignores my WOT for several seconds. It doesn't always ignore my WOT, just sometimes, and when it does it drives me crazy. And it shifts super late in gears 1-2 and super early in all other gears. Sometimes it drives OK. My Titan never gives me an issue. Always on point. I can't believe Nissan never "fixed" the 7AT, I am quite certain it is a TCM logic issue, not a hardware issue, just seems like really stupid software.

My girlfriends $25,000 Hyundai Veloster Turbo with 200hp/200TQ has a DCT and its AMAZING. I cant believe Nissan wont put one in the Z. Shame.

I've been lurking around the Q50/60 forums absorbing all I can about the VR.

It's a great engine. Does not take much to make a lot more power. Looking over everyone's VR mods it's very clear that $2-3K in mods turns these cars into beasts. Even the 300HP VR turns into a beast with some bolt-ons, heat exchange upgrade and a tune.

Nissan has been very generous with this platform/drivetrain. They could have acted like Toyota and locked everything down. Nope, these cars are every bit as modifiable as any of the German turbo cars are.

More impressive is that those guys are stuck with the 7AT, and they are still getting good performance with the 7AT. When they get the 9AT and the new Z gets both the 6MT and 9AT the VR is really going to shine.

this upsets me.....i hope your source is wrong on this!! :crying::crying:

LOL, even though I agree with you I don't think he is. He is been working for them for 25 years and is one of the end at the proving grounds here in AZ. I'm pretty sure he has the inside scoop and facts related to the new Z.

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As is the case with the 7AT vs. 6MT, the 9AT is likely to be significantly faster in a straight line than the 6MT.

Although, it seems odd that Nissan wouldn't offer a 6MT on the NISMO

they're very good even on a 4000lb monster. on a Z they may break necks lol

as for cost, its a myth.

people who say they're expensive go to the dealer who rips you off.

you can get all new rotor rings and pads for 1200-2000 depending on pad choice.

It's all about that 0 - 60 marketing. They need to be able to say their top of the line sports car can do 0 - 60 in ___ seconds and they probably don't want an asterisk beside that number.

Have they confirmed the 9AT?

It would make sense cause that's the newest tranny they are making and currently using. I cant imagine they would use the previous gen auto. Plus those weren't very good. Compare to the other auto trans

I'll be in my bunk!

i mean they're using the entire chassis from the prior gen lol

Yeah I'm not holding my breath for the 9speed I highly doubt they use it. I'm betting if the do end up using the 9speed it will be in an update version of the new Z. They will milk this platform for all it's worth just like they did previous Z platforms so anything they can hold off putting in a v2 they will.

Nissan put the 9AT into the Frontier that's been around since MY 2005, and they put it in the Titan as a mid-life refresh.

Oh yeah, the new Z is getting the 9AT, bet! The Q60 will get it also.

Sorry if this is a repeat.

Something that many of us already knew. Some validation. Aftermarket will be happy because a lot of product for the z34 can be used on the z35.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/37208/...70z-underneath

If the MT is the same, I wonder if they'll redesign a CSC that can be interchangeable with our 370z?

Don't hold your breath! Since I plan on getting a 6MT, and I keep hearing about this "CSC" issue, I better do my research!

Is the "CSC" a clutch slave cylinder? I have some foggy understanding that on these cars it is a PITA to replace? Anyways, don't mean to derail, I need to go search the forums on it.

Maybe if the 6MT requires a revised bellhousing Nissan may do us a solid and revise the CSC? We can "hope". We'll see, Nissan is pretty "hit or miss" on their quality of parts, you'd think with a platform as mature as the FM Z platform they could focus a little more on correcting their few past mistakes!

Yes. The OEM slave cylinder is inside the bell housing and made with plastic parts. Have to drop the transmission to replace it. Just get one of the ZSpeed options and be done with the matter.

You can prolong the life of your CSC to probably last as long as your clutch (assuming you started doing this when the car was new) by changing the clutch fluid with RBF600, and religiously keep doing so with a fresh bottle every year (or twice a year if you drive it year round as a daily driver).

This way, you don't have to drop the transmission until it's clutch replacement time, and when you do you change out the OEM CSC with the HD CSC (or if Nissan produces a metal Z35 CSC that's backwards compatible with the Z34).

The Proto is now in the US.

So, is Nissan going to begin a tour through the States with this car? I definitely want to see it in person if it comes to my area.

we shall see. just wish they would give the specs already. like why wait? anyone who's going to buy it knows it's a reskinned 370z and we dont care lol


works for me. just means all the Q60 test pipes that FI has made can pair with their 3" 370z cat back.

full 3" straight pipe for my new Z :driving:

Wow..These guys say the Z is Two years away from production? That doesn't seem right. If it was two years away from production, why would they be showing it off in "almost" complete form now?

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/n...ic-150748.html

They're wrong. It's coming out next summer/fall as a 2022 model year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNV-...=ChrisForsberg

Finally! Someone aside from Japan getting to see the car.

It might just be the lens he's using, but looking at the Z head on here the square grille actually doesn't look bad to me anymore. It looks aggressive.


https://i.imgur.com/xVPyK6Z.png

It Looks soo much more like the 240Z (which is awesome!), and even the rear looks better (to me).

I disliked the 370z quite a bit in the pictures and teasers, but once I saw it in person (and then lowered w/spacers) I fell in love.