The blue does something for me.

Shame I don't have space for 2 (nice) cars.

I'd like to see what the actual numbers are a 15% 0 to 60 improvement seems good

Simple math would dictate a low 4sec 0-60 time.

This site has a few more details than that reveal -
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023...s-performance/

No 6 piston caliper. It would of been nice if it was slightly more hp. Most people knew it was going to be 400hp. Why not 420hp. That would of been a suprise. And the 6 piston calipet

I'll be in my bunk!

I thought the base was suppose to be around 35k or so.

I'll be in my bunk!

Saw the Z400( Z official name me thinks) last night.
IMO, pretty boring.
Looks much identical to PROTO.
The hated front grille/ opening, not changed save for some egg-crate insert.
Can see the aftermarket guys on this as we speak. A GTR style bar would look great
and lower the look of the front.
Overall, have to agree the Z is a bunch of old parts. Nothing said about the twin
turbo engine. At 40k selling price to start, seems to me a tough sell.
I am just not blown out on the total package. At least not in the way when I saw the
rebirth Z in 2002.

Well to keep cost down and nissan can't afford to build a whole new Z.

Hell if Toyota can't build a new supra without partnering up with BMW, no way in hell nissan have a chance. Basically its a body kit and I'm sure Toyota made their own performance mods to the BMW engine.
At least nissan is using most of their own recycled parts sort of speak for the most part. But other than the 3.0 tt engine and hopefully the auto trans will be good.
But the question is, has nissan improved on the 370z chassis for the updated Z?


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For 40k base, the new Z is pretty sweet! Can't wait to see and drive it live. I'll be getting one for sure!

Oh, and 3.7 sec 0 - 60 (estimated from an article I read last night given the new Z specs) for that price is insane... and that's with a factory warranty and eliminates me having to add piping... and all the headaches of aftermarket chaos.

Not a big fan of the it. No Nismo version with a factory body kit. I will pass.

It's more like 4.25s (5s - 15% is 4.25s) still fast but not sub 4 second fast although I'm sure a tune will get it to sub 4s and I bet that's the number the nimso version will be showing

You are correct.
Many points, most negative on kicking off the new Z at this time.
A major point is price . Even if Nissan offered a really new Z, from the bottom up, that was priced near 60K, there would be a search for buyers.
Add this to the number of true performance sports buyers out there, it is a small number. Times have changed, many do not really care what they drive
or even own a vehicle. Yes, smart for Nissan to offer tried and true parts in
a package with more power. But, price will be the driver.
To paraphrase a line from the cheesy reveal video, I am (not)stoked.

I guess we don't know yet... I was just quoting an article's estimate based on what they know of the engine/platform. 4.25... ok, I'm cool with that.

I know I’m an old fart, but can someone explain why I need to know the “turbo speed”? Oh, and a voltmeter? Seriously? I’d be happier with a nice classy analog clock. Flame away!

Yes! Price! Anything over 40G out the door and I’m out.

Best estimate I have is Sport will be $39K, and Performance will be $46K. This car is not cheap for Nissan to make. The V6 twin turbo is not simple to manufacture, and the engine and car is made in Japan. The assembly line is the same assembly line as the GT-R. I'd rather pay a little more and get a car that is truly made in Japan instead of someplace like Mexico. If you can't afford it, maybe you should be looking at a Toyota GR 86.

Yeah, I had the same initial thought about "turbo speed" as you. WTF? :icon14:



Ok, now watch some obnoxious "expert" pontificate about why it's absolutely necessary and crucial. :tiphat:

Being able to afford it and justifying the price are two different things. If all you got is it’s not as expensive as the BMW errrrr... Supra, you have nothing.

The Z isn’t even in the same stadium, nevermind game as the GTR, so let’s not go there.

Law Enforcement Officer: Do you know how fast you were going?

Me: according to my gauge... 250,000 miles an hour?

LEO: step out of the car please...

LEO: Sir, that was your turbo speed, not your speed. You are obviously too impaired to :driving: Do you have someone to call to come get your car?

Also lets not forget that in the short term after launch, MSRP pricing at dealers is gonna be rare/non existent. Markup will be a reality and if recent history in my area (Louisville KY) is any indication, you are likely to need to factor in ~$5-$10k above list depending on demand.

Turbo speed!!?? Why in the F would I care about that? Oh, And that’s not a breathalyzer tube and I’m not blowing into it no matter what you say.... :wtf2:

I’m sure they’ll pull that nonsense, but we’ll be going on what, 13 years waiting for a new Z? I can wait a couple of more months until they come to their senses. I wouldn’t pay a dime over $40,000 out the door for the “performance” package.

It would depend on demand locally, but in the bigger picture, I don't see inflated pricing going down in a couple months. Looking at Supras in my area, they are still marked up ~$3k above MSRP, and they've been out for a while now.

Premium 3.0 MSRP is $54,490 - https://www.oxmoortoyota.com/2021-gr-supra/
Dealer Price is $57,244 - https://www.oxmoortoyota.com/invento...b0c04mw044529/

My point is it's nice to see another generation of the Z, but taking everything into account so far, I can't justify a purchase for a base at ~$45k (conservative estimate). If they do a Nismo, I'm thinking it's gonna be closer to $60k.
If I was swayed to get one, I would pre order one only under the condition that I pay MSRP. To anyone getting one, enjoy it and have fun with it.

I didn't watch the video, so if the term "turbo speed" was said or shown, I'd say that's a misnomer. What would make 100% complete sense to replace the 370Z stupid digital clock is a "turbo boost" gauge. I have to assume that's what it really is.

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I agree 110%. But it's not a surprise. Huge down side for me.

There are a bunch of upgrades everyone is talking about, but electronic variable steering (a MONSTER down grade for a sports car IMO) is being swept under the rug. This change is at least an equal negative to gaining 70hp, for me, IMO. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the new Z outperforms in terms of numbers, but the old 370Z outperforms in terms of driver satisfaction and fun to drive. Just like when BMW and Porsche made the switch. No more true "drivers cars."

Such a bummer.

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I agree I'm pretty upset after seeing that. Unless they did some magic the car is ruined with that. I test drove the Q60 and I actually thought the car was dangerous because if the electric steering I couldn't tell how much input I was giving the car. I'd probably kill myself driving it on the highway much less a track with that kinda steering. Everyone who hasn't should find a Q60/Q50 to test drive it with and you'll understand. I'm really bummed with Nissan they gave us a turbo with a manual but couldn't keep the 370z steering I don't understand.

Those who have not seen the 400Z reveal, should.
It is on YouTube.
Again, pretty cheesy. IMO, not the kind on kick off info to excite real Z community.
You have a guy, they hired Paul Walker's bro (Cody I think) to add some fast&F vibe
as a everyday Z guy. He is stoked! Then a operations head from Nissan in snug tan jeans&boots , reading off a script. "turbo speed"? This guy drives a SUV.

Bottom line, keep your present Z. Make it your own.
You will be better for it and still have $ in the bank

There's no such car as a "400Z".

I'm sure we'll see you in 2 years posting about your new TT Z!

While that would be a laughable outcome, the preferable one would be if he would f**k off and let most of us that desire it have our fun.

Why did they have that guy present it? It was hard to watch, cheesy, and we know he's not a Z enthusiasts or his daughter bought a z lol.
It was too scripted.
Hes just a corporate dude. It just didn't work.

I'll be in my bunk!

Colors for 2023 Nissan Z: Black Diamond Metallic, Gun Metallic, Rosewood Metallic, Brilliant Silver Boulder Gray Seiran Blue, Ikazuchi Yellow, Passion Red TriCoat, Everest White Pearl

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...ite-pearl.438/

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...0445-png.2146/

The question is, how well this new Z will do in the coming yrs?
Will nissan do meager updates and get left behind by other car manufacturers?

The sad truth is, the next z if there is one will be some sort of a 4 banger hybrid.
If that happens let the Z die lol

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Seeing how the 370z was 30k new in canada (23,628.56 USD) 40k usd seems overpriced for what you get.

The base here in the USA in the beginning was 29k if I'm not mistaken.
I guess inflation is a bitch lol.

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Exactly! But if the new Z was 30k, it would force the value of even a 2020 370Z down to probably 20k or lower. Like when the 370Z came out, 350Z owners took a huge hit on their resale values because the new model was the same price as the old one. However, for us 370Z owners, we won't be taking any such hit this time around.

Since the new Z is going to be 45k+ CAD, it means you can still sell your Z for the same 30k or more you can sell them for today.

It's like Nissan was actively trying to preserve and protect the resale value for Z34s.

Exactly if all their going to give us for the next upgrade is electric they should just kill off the Z line and let it go out with some dignity. Unfortunately you know their going to electrify it to make it "modern". I love electric vehicles but some vehicles like the Z don't deserve that fate. The Z line always has been a driver's car adding electric, sensors, and probably some form of self driving just ruins it. But we probably won't have to worry since their lack of upgrades until 10 years are up will probably put it in the grave anyway.

Wow! The new Z hasn't even hit the streets yet, and you're already calling for the "next" Z to be killed off. :icon14: How about we just enjoy this new model... you know, when it even available, and then just enjoy it for what it is. Who cares what happens in 5 or 10 years. LOL!

For a little perspective, the 2003 350Z started around $28,000 which is $41,500 today!

Edit: I just looked up the base was $26,370 and that's just over $39K.

A 370Z base model was still $29K just a few years ago tho