Hard driving?

Wonka2581 · 11-07-2013, 12:45 AM

I would break in the car the way it is going to be driven. I believe if you break in a car as a turd it will be a turd. Go 1,000 miles change the oil and filter and beat that bitch.

Chuck33079 · 11-07-2013, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidZ370

Out of curiosity, what are the effects if you shift over 4 k

None, but the factory recommended break-in says to keep it under 4k. It's all in the manual. You have read the manual, right?

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Originally Posted by jaedub

I think the break in period for the Z was either 2.5k or 3k miles. Till then, I wouldn't really stress the engine too hard. I'd personally play under 4k RPM. Maybe 5k sometimes

It's 1k miles.

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Originally Posted by Wonka2581

I would break in the car the way it is going to be driven. I believe if you break in a car as a turd it will be a turd. Go 1,000 miles change the oil and filter and beat that bitch.

The manufacturer seems to disagree with you.

I know, engine break-in is one of those subjects that will be debated until the sun burns out.

Wonka2581 · 11-07-2013, 07:42 AM

I know the manufacture will say different. But it's a personal preference, like my R6 that I had I put maybe 600 miles on it before I beat it. But every time I ran the same bike I would always win and everyone who road it was like wtf? What did you do to it. It's all in the way you brake it in...

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Haboob · 11-07-2013, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jaedub

And you should've gotten the 6MT. So much more fun IMO.

Let's not turn this into that thread.

zeeder · 11-07-2013, 08:26 AM

I did a hybrid break-in where the first 500 miles, excluding the test drive and a couple of times, I kept it under the 4k revs and then I went to 5k revs and so on.

ElVee · 11-07-2013, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidZ370

what do you consider driving hard?

"Driving hard" is going to be a relative measure. For me, driving hard is something you can't do on public roads without going to illegal speeds. The Z is a performance car. You can take a Fiesta out on the roads and push it to its limits and still be relatively legal and safe 9and have loads of fun!). The Z has more performance than that. It will get into illegal territory quickly and/or become unsafe on the roads. I know, that's not what you want to hear, but it's reality.

Still, you can have *loads* of fun with this car and still be relatively legal on public roads. Just the looks alone can let you strut around like you're bigger than Prince.

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i have a 7at

What's wrong with the 7AT? There are certainly people who want the visceral feedback and involvement that a clutch gives them, and that's perfectly fine. But our 7AT comes with a manual mode which allows you to get roughly the same driving effect, just without the mechanical involvement. And the shifts are faster.

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and never go over 6500 rpms only have hit that mark 2x im on my 550th mile lmfaoo...

We can get into the whole discussion on whether you should drive a car "hard" from the start, or if you should follow the factory spec in the manual and be easy on it for the first 1200 miles. I lean more towards this argument: Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power. In the end, it's your car and neither of us are likely master engineers, so you choose what you'd like to do.

(I know, the page looks like it was made in 1996 on Geocities. But it's still valid advice.)

If you've not been over 6500 rpms, you're not driving it hard. Driving hard should at least include teasing the marked redline.

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give me some advice as i am new to the whole Z driving thing.

Leave VDC on, first of all. Take it off if you know high performance driving and/or are on a closed course. Otherwise, as mentioned above, this car has enough performance to get you into unsafe territory in a flash.

The Z has great balance to learn and learn to enjoy turns with. It loves turns and has really great balance and grip for it, as long as you don't lose the tail too early with too much throttle. If you're on a closed course, you can play with the tail behavior crazy well.

Adjust your side mirrors co you cover your blind spots as much as you can. This usually means flaring them out a little bit more than you'd use on most cars (at least that applies to me...). We have awful blind spots that you need to protect yourself from.

Beyond that, if you can safely drive a car, you can drive the Z.

It's not a minivan; you won't floor it after every light and may not floor it much at all on public roads, and it'll still be fun.

That said, drive within your budget as well, that is gas and tire expense, as well as your insurance. Don't hoon around if you can't absorb the tickets.

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(Shouldve gotten the 6MT fml )

Why? I hate to say it, but if you were going to want a manual that badly, you should have bought one.

Troyz · 11-07-2013, 09:03 AM

I don't need to break in at 33,000Mi but with all Torque available I seldom have to bring the RPM beyond 5,250RPM to do circles around traffic when I commute to work.

kenchan · 11-07-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ElVee

Leave VDC on, first of all. Take it off if you know high performance driving and/or are on a closed course. Otherwise, as mentioned above, this car has enough performance to get you into unsafe territory in a flash.

its amazing how people still crash with vdc on....

how? not sure. just left off the gas and brake, but people tend to panic or something and tries to throttle themselves out ending up in a ditch, up a tree, a pole, house, signs, mailboxes, cars, buses, trailers, candy vans, bushes, ponds, etc.

NissanGuy23 · 11-07-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

its amazing how people still crash with vdc on....

how? not sure. just left off the gas and brake, but people tend to panic or something and tries to throttle themselves out ending up in a ditch, up a tree, a pole, house, signs, mailboxes, cars, buses, trailers, candy vans, bushes, ponds, etc.

Ive ended up crashing into candy vans far too many times and ended up needing a ride. And we all know what happens when you turn VDC OFF, dont do it

Streetlife · 11-07-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ElVee

"Driving hard" is going to be a relative measure. For me, driving hard is something you can't do on public roads without going to illegal speeds. The Z is a performance car. You can take a Fiesta out on the roads and push it to its limits and still be relatively legal and safe 9and have loads of fun!). The Z has more performance than that. It will get into illegal territory quickly and/or become unsafe on the roads. I know, that's not what you want to hear, but it's reality.

Still, you can have *loads* of fun with this car and still be relatively legal on public roads. Just the looks alone can let you strut around like you're bigger than Prince.

What's wrong with the 7AT? There are certainly people who want the visceral feedback and involvement that a clutch gives them, and that's perfectly fine. But our 7AT comes with a manual mode which allows you to get roughly the same driving effect, just without the mechanical involvement. And the shifts are faster.

We can get into the whole discussion on whether you should drive a car "hard" from the start, or if you should follow the factory spec in the manual and be easy on it for the first 1200 miles. I lean more towards this argument: Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power. In the end, it's your car and neither of us are likely master engineers, so you choose what you'd like to do.

(I know, the page looks like it was made in 1996 on Geocities. But it's still valid advice.)

If you've not been over 6500 rpms, you're not driving it hard. Driving hard should at least include teasing the marked redline.

Leave VDC on, first of all. Take it off if you know high performance driving and/or are on a closed course. Otherwise, as mentioned above, this car has enough performance to get you into unsafe territory in a flash.

The Z has great balance to learn and learn to enjoy turns with. It loves turns and has really great balance and grip for it, as long as you don't lose the tail too early with too much throttle. If you're on a closed course, you can play with the tail behavior crazy well.

Adjust your side mirrors co you cover your blind spots as much as you can. This usually means flaring them out a little bit more than you'd use on most cars (at least that applies to me...). We have awful blind spots that you need to protect yourself from.

Beyond that, if you can safely drive a car, you can drive the Z.

It's not a minivan; you won't floor it after every light and may not floor it much at all on public roads, and it'll still be fun.

That said, drive within your budget as well, that is gas and tire expense, as well as your insurance. Don't hoon around if you can't absorb the tickets.

Why? I hate to say it, but if you were going to want a manual that badly, you should have bought one.

, it's funny to me how the 7AT in the 370z doesn't get the props it deserves for how amazing it actually is for a single clutch automatic transmission. People have no problem driving a GT-R (dual clutch automatic transmission), Ferrari 458 Italia (dual clutch automatic transmission) , Lexus LFA (single clutch automatic transmission) and a Lamborghini Aventador (single clutch automatic transmission too), these get all the praise no problem, but if you've driven them and the 370z in 7AT you'll notice the shift speeds are not that different at all. I give props to actual engineering genius creations from R&D regardless of the badge the vehicle has on it (SRM in the manual is another, and DRM in the 7AT)! I love my 7AT, ordered my girl Vanity that way for a reason!

zeeder · 11-07-2013, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Streetlife

, it's funny to me how the 7AT in the 370z doesn't get the props it deserves for how amazing it actually is for a single clutch automatic transmission. People have no problem driving a GT-R (dual clutch automatic transmission), Ferrari 458 Italia (dual clutch automatic transmission) , Lexus LFA (single clutch automatic transmission) and a Lamborghini Aventador (single clutch automatic transmission too), these get all the praise no problem, but if you've driven them and the 370z in 7AT you'll notice the shift speeds are not that different at all. I give props to actual engineering genius creations from R&D regardless of the badge the vehicle has on it! I love my 7AT, ordered my girl Vanity that way for a reason!

All of the autos you mentioned are actually clutchless manual transmissions whereas the 370Z is a traditional automatic with a torque converter. That being said, with all the raves of how good it is, I wish I would have at least test driven an auto 370...lol. Oh well, I love my 6MT except when I'm in stop and go traffic!!

Streetlife · 11-07-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by zeeder

All of the autos you mentioned are actually clutchless manual transmissions whereas the 370Z is a traditional automatic with a torque converter. That being said, with all the raves of how good it is, I wish I would have at least test driven an auto 370...lol. Oh well, I love my 6MT except when I'm in stop and go traffic!!

You are right about the Torque Converter, which is more of a reason to give props to the 7AT. Nothing wrong with the 6MT (notice how now other manufacturers are offering their version of SRM now) , i'm just happy Nissan created such good transmissions for the 370z, and it still was sold at an amazing price!

Chuck33079 · 11-07-2013, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by zeeder

All of the autos you mentioned are actually clutchless manual transmissions whereas the 370Z is a traditional automatic with a torque converter.

Yeah, I'm not sure why people keep thinking it's functionally any different from any other auto. Maybe because it's good?

kenchan · 11-07-2013, 09:49 AM

i wonder if the Z35 gets a torque converter or an actual electronic clutch?

Mt Tam I am · 11-07-2013, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidZ370

I SWEAR i looked up for 25 minutes and couldnt find anything

what do you consider driving hard? i have a 7at

and never go over 6500 rpms only have hit that mark 2x im on my 550th mile lmfaoo... i cant not have fun with this car especially after that crappy *** civic si i had for a good year. give me some advice as i am new to the whole Z driving thing. ALSO SORRY IF THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP i couldnt find it and after i ended up in the honda forum searching via google i gave up ]=
(Shouldve gotten the 6MT fml )

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

So we've decided to ignore the break-in procedure in the manual?

And if you're so upset about the 7at, why did you buy it?

Yes and why?

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Originally Posted by DavidZ370

Out of curiosity, what are the effects if you shift over 4 k

Perhaps a new short block.

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Originally Posted by jaedub

And you should've gotten the 6MT. So much more fun IMO.

again

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Originally Posted by fzgood

I might have to do this. I just got a speeding ticket... my second of 2013. Before getting the Z, my most recent citation happened in early 2006.

To answer OP's question, I think driving hard in this car is kind of impossible on the street without entering felony territory. Full throttle at 6.5 revs can be terrifying, especially with the vibration in the manual gear lever.

Why is this terrifying? How does the vibration of the gear lever play in? I hope you are not looking at the stick while driving at terrifying speeds.

A poll may be in order. "Who is terrified at 6500 rpm's"

11-07-2013, 12:45 AM	#31 (permalink)
Wonka2581 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 3,083 Drives: MY WIFE CRAZY.... Rep Power: 2611	I would break in the car the way it is going to be driven. I believe if you break in a car as a turd it will be a turd. Go 1,000 miles change the oil and filter and beat that bitch. bombdefuzer and falconfixer like this. __________________ "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat""Winston Churchill"

11-07-2013, 07:42 AM	#33 (permalink)
Wonka2581 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 3,083 Drives: MY WIFE CRAZY.... Rep Power: 2611	I know the manufacture will say different. But it's a personal preference, like my R6 that I had I put maybe 600 miles on it before I beat it. But every time I ran the same bike I would always win and everyone who road it was like wtf? What did you do to it. It's all in the way you brake it in... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat""Winston Churchill"

11-07-2013, 08:26 AM	#35 (permalink)
zeeder Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Columbia, MO Age: 47 Posts: 460 Drives: ‘13 370Z ST 6M Rep Power: 3427	I did a hybrid break-in where the first 500 miles, excluding the test drive and a couple of times, I kept it under the 4k revs and then I went to 5k revs and so on. __________________ Zack FI catback, HFC, and Start Button - Z1 Intake - Nismo S-Tune Spoiler - PasswordJDM V2 Shift Knob

11-07-2013, 09:03 AM	#37 (permalink)
Troyz Base Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Austin Posts: 154 Drives: 370Z Touring M6 Rep Power: 12	Moderate Driving I don't need to break in at 33,000Mi but with all Torque available I seldom have to bring the RPM beyond 5,250RPM to do circles around traffic when I commute to work.

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