370Z Sport Package vs Mazdaspeed 3 GT vs S2000 vs Cayman S vs Mazda Rx-8

370Zsteve

I quit reading your post right there. get better sources to back up your BS

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mook

yeah I kept driving it here and there and it kind of grew on me, so I only have three gripes left:
1) why the hell can't I disconnect the traction control completely in a sports car(no, the button does not kill all the gadgetry)? Especially in a car as accomplished as the Z. In something as psychotic as an m coupe, maybe. But the Z? Michael Schumacher himself noted it's safety (he is actually the Stig in Top Gear reviews).
2) having one wheel spin on hard corner exits sucks.
3) engine sound is a mood killer

awesomez

Once again you don't have your facts right.
1) Yes actually traction is COMPLETELY OFF on 370Z when you push the off button. (he is actually the Stig in Top Gear reviews) Wrong! That's what top gear would have you believe.
2) That's why I didn't buy a mustang or a camaro. My vlsd is working quite alright for me on my sport package touring.
3) I actually find the BOV sound a mood killer.

You should really read more posts then write because you have a lot to learn kid.

mook

You don't drive cheap cars for kids, but you buy them? =)
Mazdaspeed came out recently... when did you enter the expensive car adult club?

Sorry, could not resist - I am sure you meant something else.

kdoske

Not sure what you are expecting but most well built car are not going to feel like you are driving fast when you are. What you are talking about are cars that are not rigid enough to keep its form at high speeds and it allows you to "feel" the speed.

If thats what you are looking for then I sugest you hop back in your econo box and go to town. Sorry but your review is just silly. This car is incredibly fast and any and every profesionall review/dyno will tell you the same. Just becuase you are use to driving cars that 'feel' fast as apposed to this one that doesn't doesn't mean its not fast.

The fact that you join the forum just to post this hate is insane to me.

I guess your post verifies two things:

• You can take the man out the trailer but you can't take the trailer out of the man.
• You can pay for school but you can't buy class.

mook

You talking about straight line constant speed driving?

Acceleration (torque wins races by the way, HP just sells cars... and computers, lol), cornering and the manner of weight transitions is what I am talking about. The more rigid the car overall, the more you gonna feel those. You ever drove a moderately fast go-cart? You walk away with bruises on your body in all the unpadded bits. A friend of mine had his arm broken just from one of the seriously fast go carts regaining traction in an awkward way. No give there.

Or did someone cancel the laws of physics in your neck of the woods?

stag3

i think it's just the diff between being boosted and n/a

need4speed

MazdaSpeed 3's aren't cheap cars and I wouldn't call what he wrote hate. He gave a series of evaluations and he felt the Z was less enjoyable. He's entitled to feel that way.
He brought up some legitamate points but I do not agree with him though.
Obviously his driving style warrants his enjoyment for fwd drive cars.
He pointed out the only value of RWD was rear swinging. Says a lot about his style.
Another good point he mentions. "He says maybe in a year he would have confidence in a Z."I can see him feeling that way. The Z has a blind spot that's only worse in those new camaro's. Its drive-by-wire steering is a next level system and should only be used by seasoned drivers. The RX-8 also has this type of steering system but 232hp 161lbs tq doesn't put so much jolt in your drawz that u will fear losing control.
The s2000 as he said... pre 04 was uncivilized. Those were more like pure race cars then over time they refined them in order to sell better. S2000 sales have always been lackluster though the car is iconic. So honda sold out some of its purity for luxury 05 n up.
He's a novice driver. There's nothing wrong with that and driving enthusiasts should respect it. At least he wants to hone skills with all the right cars.
And the mazdaspeed 3 is a great car. The turbo gives it punch which gives him the "ILLUSION" he's going faster than in a 370z. But remember the 350z n the mazdaspd3 get very similar track times. Near identical. The mazda is no slouch either. We kno it can't best track times of the 370z, but its not alwayz bout track times. Driving style n personal preference will play a big part in wat car u think is best.

You got alota guys buyin the Z that u know belong in sum FWD boy racer cuz they jus don't have the skills. But they r in a Z cuz it looks nice n they wanna impress chix... lol
N wat cracks me up the most is when people say the Z is mature... lol on what planet?
I luv the Z. I'm 2 months short of owning one. But I'm not foolon myself... lol
That fish face front is just as boi ricer racer az the eclipse open mouth front.
Only the Nismo to me has a more mature front fascia while staying true to the Z heritage.
And tho I will admit the Nismo looks more mature. I luv the base/sport better.
See in the end I prefer the immature looking version of the Z. So wat!?

mook

Thanks for understanding.

Actually, if you read my first post it clearly says that I can't stand FWD and that is why I am getting rid of Mazdaspeed (which I still enjoy very much) after 1 year of driving it in favor of a used Cayman S. I firmly believe in steering with the throttle =). As one great Grand Prix racer once said, refering to the art of four wheel drift: one who keeps his wheels straight the most - wins. Not that Mazda can't do that, it's just well it's missing some of that old school RWD flavor. This is also, why (aside from the weight) I don't want those psycho 4wds like WRX - too much push, not enough swing.

370Z could have saved me a bit of dough.... but some things are just a matter of taste.

Noone probably cares by now, but The 05 and up S2000 has slower steering, stronger engine and better planted rear end, although just as easily drifted. Some of the fun was definitely gone.

I heard that few companies wanted to insure the old S2000 anymore, since so many of them were wrecked by inexperienced drivers. Once it swapped ends on me at 60mph on bold tires in the rain just from hitting a puddle (and I was going nearly straight). It snapped the tail, hydroplaned and no amount of opposite lock or throttle play could get it away from the curb, which was coming at me all of a sudden at a good clip. I locked up all four wheels. spun it out and finally found some grip... rolling backwards and away from the damn curb. Car stalled (did not clutch it on time, once it spun), and with traffic coming up fast, that Start button suddenly became very handy LOL.

The old turbo MR2's had the same problem.

As for the steering, I kind of love the direct feel of good old unassisted rack, like they have on a Lotus (dream car, eh?) Purely matter of preference, I realize.

Oh, and I love the Nismo looks =). It's the Nismo that I would buy, if I went with a Nissan. I am sure I would enjoy the firmer suspension.

M.J.

Wow, I don't know what to say to that.
A Mazda 3?

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JonGrace959

First of all, from a former mazdaspeed3 owner the MS3 outperforms the rx8 on every level. yes even on the track so i would put it as a step ahead even tho the interior on the rx8 is more refined. second of all the ms3 is a great car. its engine is lively the turbo doesn't have the worst lag but once it gets going it pulls, and pulls hard. and torque is everywhere from low to high (6000-6500) RPM. oh and did i mention it pulls hard and butt dyno feels like it has more power then most cars on road.

The Mazdaspeed 3 is a great reliable ready to go, destroys any civic kind of car, i wish i still owned it. but it is a hot hatch 4 banger teenager turbo. i was there i owned it. im not dissing the car in anyway i love it to death and i cannot compare it to the 370z yet because i have yet to test drive it.

just backin my ms3 up

but from what i have been reading on this forum/seen on youtube/etc your test drive of the 370z was a car that was not broken in fully, i think u should come back to a used 370z possibly. Torque steer does suck on FWD therefore i am excited to hopefully get into a 370z with RWD and a more aggressive styling then a hey look at me im a bright red hatch that is prly being drivin by a teenager pull me over. That was me back when i had it btw.

just my 2 cents on MS3

molamann

Damn I should go return my Z.

zZSportZz

Why would go through the trouble to make an account here just to post that?...unless you just want to stir the pot. Have fun in your little Mazda. Its a cute little car. My neice wants one.

m4a1mustang

My sister looked at a Mazdaspeed 3 GT but decided to go for something a little less girly.

Her new Nissan Cube is awesome.

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