Nismo or boss ?

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

I'd do my research, but I don't really care enough. Do Mustangs have independent rear suspension yet?

Nope. But everyone should know by now that doesn't matter.

/Angelo350Z/ · 05-28-2013, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Nope. But everyone should know by now that doesn't matter.

Why is that? Because ultimately the new GT keeps up with an M3 on a track?

Just curious what your opinion is.

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

Why is that? Because ultimately the new GT keeps up with an M3 on a track?

Just curious what your opinion is.

Because it hasn't really hindered performance, and contrary to what most believe live axles are not always inferior to a independent setup.

Here's a bit of what Billy Johnson had to say on the matter over on S2KI. Billy races the Roush Mustang in the Continental Tire series and has also done some NASCAR road racing.

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It's been said that the recent 'purist' viewpoint/train of thought has shifted the generally accepted consensus that IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) is superior to stick-axles when it is not necessarily true. While the camber gain and bumpsteer of IRS can edge out a stick-axle in peak mid-corner grip, it can become a disadvantage on entry and especially exit of corners. "The fastest accelerating cars in the world have stick-axles". By maintaining an even rear platform, stick-axles have inherent advantages that at the end of the day, can be as good if not better than an IRS. In many cases its harder to make an IRS work better than a stick-axle, pending rules of the series, which stick-axle design you are looking at, etc... But at the end of the day, in CTSCC, a ~stock geometry Mustang out handles and comes out of corners better than the E92 M3 but currently due to rules, the M3 outbrakes and has more power to out accelerate the Mustang on the top end.

Ultimately you end up having to move to a IRS setup on a street car (next gen Mustang is going to be IRS), but not necessarily for performance reasons. For one, you don't have to design a chassis with a big ole hump in the back to fit the rear axle. This gives you more efficient use of space and would actually make the rear seats of the Mustang useful.

There are more reasons we could get into, but the bottom line is as far as performance goes, the solid axle is not the crutch that most like to say it is.

/Angelo350Z/ · 05-28-2013, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Because it hasn't really hindered performance, and contrary to what most believe live axles are not always inferior to a independent setup.

Here's a bit of what Billy Johnson had to say on the matter over on S2KI. Billy races the Roush Mustang in the Continental Tire series and has also done some NASCAR road racing.

Ultimately you end up having to move to a IRS setup on a street car (next gen Mustang is going to be IRS), but not necessarily for performance reasons. For one, you don't have to design a chassis with a big ole hump in the back to fit the rear axle. This gives you more efficient use of space and would actually make the rear seats of the Mustang useful.

There are more reasons we could get into, but the bottom line is as far as performance goes, the solid axle is not the crutch that most like to say it is.

I appreciate the informative response. So everybody knows this but me? Man, I really have been busy. Anyway, I'll reserve my judgment and do more reading.

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

I appreciate the informative response. So everybody knows this but me? Man, I really have been busy. Anyway, I'll reserve my judgment and do more reading.

Let's face it, the Mustang *shouldn't* be live axle. It should have ditched it a decade ago. But they didn't. And it didn't help that for the longest time they handled like crap, so everyone just assumed stick axles can't handle. By the time they actually put together a serious chassis and got the geometry right... that's a hard stigma to shake.

/Angelo350Z/ · 05-28-2013, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Let's face it, the Mustang *shouldn't* be live axle. It should have ditched it a decade ago. But they didn't. And it didn't help that for the longest time they handled like crap, so everyone just assumed stick axles can't handle. By the time they actually put together a serious chassis and got the geometry right... that's a hard stigma to shake.

Have you taken your Mustang on a track? If so, which one?

scope22 · 05-28-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Nope. But everyone should know by now that doesn't matter.

it only doesn't matter on the track, try to take a corner on a bumpy street and see what happens...

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by scope22

it only doesn't matter on the track, try to take a corner on a bumpy street and see what happens...

it grips pretty well, to be honest

shadoquad · 05-28-2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

it grips pretty well, to be honest

The Dragon doesn't have many turns on it.

:|

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

The Dragon doesn't have many turns on it.

:|

it sure doesn't feel like it when you are moving slowly behind a Harley

scope22 · 05-28-2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

it grips pretty well, to be honest

maybe cuse you know better, ie slow down through curves ect...i've driven T/As for many years and and i bought a Z because I was tired of slowing down before each turn

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scope22

maybe cuse you know better, ie slow down through curves ect...i've driven T/As for many years and and i bought a Z because I was tired of slowing down before each turn

You should test drive one, or even better ride along with someone on a curvy road. You might be surprised. I know I was when m4a1 took me for a ride in his.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-28-2013, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

You should test drive one, or even better ride along with someone on a curvy road. You might be surprised. I know I was when m4a1 took me for a ride in his.

+1

StangerGT · 05-28-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scope22

maybe cuse you know better, ie slow down through curves ect...i've driven T/As for many years and and i bought a Z because I was tired of slowing down before each turn

You coulda just got a nice coilover setup w/ some chassis stiffening...

Caustic · 05-28-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

You coulda just got a nice coilover setup w/ some chassis stiffening...

Or just go for a car with with an IRS suspension which everyone in this thread has already admitted is the superior solution.

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