Originally Posted by Chteelers When in the entire history of automobiles has the next generation of a popular, long running model ever made the huge performance leap you V8-promotors are
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Honestly, 300HP at the wheels is more than enough for the current chasis for the Z. Anymore and we'll be in overkill territory for all around stock package for around $30k range. I mean, it would be nice to be labeled "Corvette Killer" again like the 90s, but decrease weight would be more beneficial than increase power right now.
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I would be fine with no power increase...
As long as they correct the: piss poor throttle mapping, lack of a "real" oil cooler, and the annoying over-compensating traction control system.
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Now consider this Piston engines have more then 40 years advantage compared to rotary technology. It is very easy to complain about a dirty engine when there is more advanced technology. Now roll back piston engine tech 40 years and the rotary suddenly becomes impressive. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who wishes he had an LSx powered Corvette. It's easy to dis technology based on bad press regardless if it was well deserved or not the technology is getting much better. The newest version if the engine is supposed to eliminate many of the issues mentioned but we shall see how much of that is true. The new 1.6L 300HP NA is a rediculous achievement and in my opinion should be put in a Miata sized car with a hardtop. It's supposed to be cleaner with better gas mileage and more torque.
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With Nissan making the chasis lighter a ligher motor is mandatory or else chasis and suspension engineering will be a pain in the butt and much more expensive. If the engine goes heavier you run the risk of crappy mustang handling (not including Boss 302). Quote:
Let's name some examples of value (Price point is the key here) V8 sports cars that fall in the handling category: - Base Corvette - $49,600 - Mustang Boss 302 - $42,995 - $49,990 Thats it...Dont include the Pontiac GTO's or the Holden's or even a Camero (ZL1 is way to expensive) cause they all suck handling wise with exception to the ZL1 which is way out of this price point. Now what do those cars have that we dont? Vette: rear mounted transmission with epically expensive suspension and really lightweight v8 (lighter then the VQ). Boss 302: expensive adjustable suspension, they had to add a multilink suspension in the rear, it's a heavy car (3632 lbs). The point here is Nissan spent it's money on the chasis instead of adding horse power and extensive suspension improvements compared to the Mustang and the Vette well they did it right but both cars cost on average between $10k and up to $17k more then the Z does today. Thats the cost of v8 power and handling the way you want it. If Nissan can keep the Z under $40k and do what corvette has done then go for it I'll be there to buy it. Quote:
I refer back to my previous agrument above regarding this is not about power on it's own. Quote:
- Tire companies started making more money - Muscle car fans were happier going in a strait line - Drifting could have REALLY taken off if they knew what it was - Cars became poorly balanced and had shitty handling The Cobra was the only exception but that car was engineered to the best ability and technology available those days. Even then that car was impossible to drive considering how easily it could kill you...I want one! LOL! You know the funny part? We agree but for different reasons. I agree with you a v8 would be epic but not if Nissan can't afford to do it right. You agree a v8 would be epic and think Nissan could do it right at the current price point. Someone please prove me wrong or else a low displacement turbo engine will be in our future.
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I disagree. I think they can sound like crap with the wrong setup but with the right setup sound awesome. Nothing like a 3 rotor though...screamer
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You're forgetting that the 5.0 Mustang handles well enough compared to the Z and comes with 100 HP more with a V8 at around the same price point.
The next gen 5.0 is supposed to be 250 lb lighter, have IRS, and even more power. That is what the new Z may be competing with. Minor improvements will only put it further behind if the new 5.0 really gets all of those things. |
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This is probably why I won't be looking at a Z for my next car. I want to take a step up in class in terms of performance, not to the side or down. |
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I see Nissan making a mini-Z model to compete with the FRS. The Z will probably get either Forced Induction from the factory or get a much larger engine. Perhaps two engine variants? EDIT: additionally just think carbon fiber is getting cheaper, meaning they can use more of it to decrease weight while maintaining price. Then they will probably add direct injection which will increase power.
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Here's a link that talks about down sizing the engine.
I know it's just one link but i've read a couple of others and it still talks about down sizing the engine to 4cyn turbo. I'm surprised nissan hasn't used DI for the 370Z yet. Other than having minor exterior changes over the yrs and price creeping up and haven't been able to have the same success as the 350z (probably due to the economy), it seems they will down size and make it cheaper. 2015 Nissan Z May Be Lighter, Leaner
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From what i read and from the link i provided, the boss from nissan wants to appeal to a wider range of people.
It seems more than likely i think they want the FRS/BRZ market instead of competing with the stangs, cameros and genesis. I hope they keep the v6 and use di. Quote:
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The author used the word "probable" for reduced engine size and type, but that was not what Shiro Nakamura stated. Paragraph below:
And that won't be achieved by making it bigger. "It cannot be any larger," he says. "It's at its maximum size now and should go leaner." By that he means lighter too, with the new model to feature a down-sized engine, probably a four-cylinder turbo rather than today's 3.7-liter V6. "It needs to be lighter, and more accessible to open the door to more people," he adds. So I ask, why wasn't Shiro Nakamura quoted saying the most controversial statement in the entire article? This is hearsay from an author spinning words. I'll wait till I see the new G arrive, that will give us the best idea for what direction they want to go. For all the guys wishing for turbo's, they had the 2.5L in the G they discontinued that might make a viable candidate, would take some reworking as it's just a mini VQ37VHR.
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