The next gen Z!

b1adesofcha0s

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bvl

Logically to achieve > 30mpg and keep up with ridiculous legislation they will need to do this at some point, however entry level makes more sense.

An S model putting out 300+ HP does not as it steps too close to base 911's which is the flagship (and has long been a problem with the Cayman S anyway...)

Personally, I am curious if a Porsche engineered H4 will sound like a Porsche at that point. Thought the 944 was a fantastic handling chassis, the I4 in it was anemic at best.

For the Z car, the history around the Z has been the affordable sports car. People seem to want it to be sub-super car in this thread. Why? Suggestions for more performance/less weight will drive cost up significantly. Not to pick on anyone, but an all AL frame will mean a 80K+ car. Remember the NSX?

I think the A8 still is mostly AL. If it was feasible they would use it also in the A4/A6 which are the profit places for Audi but its simply not cost effective at those market levels.

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JungleZ

Why do you guys keep mentioning porshe.. A z shouldn't cost more than 35-37k anymore more than that and the package is not worth it

A turbo brz will be probably be 32k tops ?

ZBro16

The regular BRZ at my local dealer has a $31k sticker on it. It is fully loaded with nav and a couple other dealer installed accessories. There is no way a turbo version won't be close to $40k.

red6spd

Putting anything other then a 6 in a Z would be like running something other then a 8 in a Vette. There would be riots in the street LOL.

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SS_Firehawk

Pretty sure both those articles stated the word "rumors" multiple times. The FRS going FI, your confusing an optional TRD supercharger, not installed from the factory. As for the Porsche, they are already achieving 30+ mpg without turbo's, and why go turbo for a measly 25hp over the 6? Turbo's are not the remedy to better performance when your putting it on a puny motor. There is not a single 4 banger turbo making the 350hp from the factory that the Nismo is rated. Let alone the 911 GT3RS 4.0 flat 6 that pushed out an astonishing 500hp right out of Stuggart. Yes you can make that power with a turbo 4, but the powerband will not be remotely close to being as usable or enjoyable on a track or in more pedestrian situations.

I personally don't see turbo's as the only saving grace of the auto industry to improve fuel economy, it's just a different way of getting the same results. Power is never free. V6's in passenger cars are already exceeding 30mpg. From an engineering standpoint, it's not all about the motor. The transmission, tire sizing, weight, and aero will all play a critical role. Mark my words, I guarantee there will be 400hp 6 cylinder high performance N/A motors achieving 30+mpg without turbo's.

Concluding points I'm making, I still feel it's very unlikely we will see turbo's in the Z, FRS/BRZ, or the Cayman for a while. The turbo is not the cure for everything, sound engineering is. Nissan has an amazing engineering team and will most likely produce an evolution as opposed to a revolution to the Z. The 370Z is a successful automobile at what it was designed to compete with. I see the Z getting incrementally more expensive, but I don't see it as a problem, it just opens a nice space for true inexpensive performance car in the lineup.

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UNKNOWN_370

FRS has never been confirmed for FI. BUT, the BRZ. The articles are here and the word "RUMOR" is non-existent for the BRZ and the porsche is in between fact and fiction which in terms of how articles are written. It seems like it's more than likely.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...ICGCcX4arqZ7jg

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...Ss5QCo8bXQNKkQ

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...pX7X7kTjm1t21A

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...EOoxiGFZN5Gbzw

Turbo's aren't "the saving grace of the auto industry". It's the saving grace of the Tuner-Enthusiast market.

speedfreek

I do what I can


And SS_Firehawk the question isn't why, the question is why not. In the Porsche lineup the die hards will pay the premium to get that turbo badge on it. And is a BRZ STI really an STI without a turbo? Like Unknown_370 said these are confirmed. The FRS will get the optional TRD Supercharger treatment just like the Tc.

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edub370

Brz.sti will be 250hp na. Would love to know where these get these random facts

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speedfreek

Yes the initial release of the STI was supposed to be a 20-30hp bump na. Then the release was changed to have a turbo. I am assuming since they are releasing a turbo this trumps the na version. Subaru confirmed turbo. Not random facts. I guess you can just wait a couple years to see it hit dealer floors to have your confirmation since we can't fast forward time.

But by your logic I do not understand where you get the BRZ STI will be 250hp na (220-230 stated by Subaru). Would love to know where these random facts come from. I mean I can't put my hands on one so it is just random facts and Subaru hasn't confirmed that either right?

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UNKNOWN_370

I have links above on the BRZ.

b1adesofcha0s

2/3 of your BRZ links say no turbo for the BRZ

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edub370

But the links quote hearsay or speculation... No facts

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speedfreek

I think we have reached the point of no return as far as talking about the next gen Z.

But as far as the BRZ goes. Where do you get that it is speculation? Unless all the news outlets are trolling the BRZ/FRS platform stating they are getting turbo/supercharged treatments respectively. Multiple sources are stating that both Toyota and Subaru confirm that it is in the works.

Subaru confirms turbocharged version of BRZ engine - Top Speed

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