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Originally Posted by CDepp I spent a good amount of time looking for my first true sports car. Dropping the import coupe and moving away from muscle, I was down

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Old 12-10-2012, 09:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I spent a good amount of time looking for my first true sports car. Dropping the import coupe and moving away from muscle, I was down to a Z4, Boxster or Cayman, or a Z34. We have 4 Porsche drivers here where I work. 3 Boxsters and 1 Cayman. All models from '07-'11. I constantly hear about MAF sensor problems, intermediate shaft issues, seal leakage, etc. Many of them use them as daily drivers and at least once every 2 months are driving a courtesy vehicle from the local Porsche dealership. Their stories are the reason I chose a base Z with sports pkg (paperwork still pending-buying; from a forum member).

/funny note: all 4 Porsches park next to each other; we call that the 'mid-life parking area'.
Stories being the key word. I almost spit my java when I read the previous comment about engines blowing up at 60K. Sheesh.

Lets do a search over here...CSC, Engine oil consumption, Nissan service horrible...list goes on. Spend a day here and why would anyone buy a used Z? That is how it could have been in 2011 when we were looking.

I'm a bit smarter then that, have been on the Net since its inception and understand how things work.

For those who actually care, there is a big difference between 986 cars and 987 (which the OP was discussing). Huge. So if you ever want to learn about it, remember to differentiate. That is where you will understand what cars do have real seal issues (on average more then usual) vs. those that are fine. Which engines are more at risk for IS bearing failure and which wants are not at risk. Yes, sub 20K boxsters are 986 cars and probably not looking at. Caymans are all 987 based.

I'm not pimping one car over another. As my first reply suggests I have love for both cars. I do really hate it when people don't have an ounce of clue about what they are saying.

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Stories being the key word. I almost spit my java when I read the previous comment about engines blowing up at 60K. Sheesh.

Lets do a search over here...CSC, Engine oil consumption, Nissan service horrible...list goes on. Spend a day here and why would anyone buy a used Z? That is how it could have been in 2011 when we were looking.

I'm a bit smarter then that, have been on the Net since its inception and understand how things work.

For those who actually care, there is a big difference between 986 cars and 987 (which the OP was discussing). Huge. So if you ever want to learn about it, remember to differentiate. That is where you will understand what cars do have real seal issues (on average more then usual) vs. those that are fine. Which engines are more at risk for IS bearing failure and which wants are not at risk. Yes, sub 20K boxsters are 986 cars and probably not looking at. Caymans are all 987 based.

I'm not pimping one car over another. As my first reply suggests I have love for both cars. I do really hate it when people don't have an ounce of clue about what they are saying.

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Sure, if you look at a list on a forum of people who have issues, all cars would fit the category of 'being unreleiable'. Maybe 5% of Nissan owners have issues, maybe a little more. I'm talking about a 4 owners that I work with constantly having to take theirs back in for out of the norm services to a point the dealership gives them a courtesy car every few months that they drive for a few days. I haven't researched into the cars much because of the everyday discussions about their woes, and went into researching the Z. You seem a lot more knowledgeable about the Porsches than I and I trust your word, but their stories made the decision easy for me added into the varying years of cars and still having issues across the board. The choice from then came down to the Nissan or the BMW for me and the Z won based on personal taste.

I don't own a Z (yet), and have never owned a Porsche or a BMW. I do own a C300 Sport and a Civic but those are different creatures. My opinion is only conjecture based on anecdotes.

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Sure, if you look at a list on a forum of people who have issues, all cars would fit the category of 'being unreleiable'. Maybe 5% of Nissan owners have issues, maybe a little more. I'm talking about a 4 owners that I work with constantly having to take theirs back in for out of the norm services to a point the dealership gives them a courtesy car every few months that they drive for a few days. I haven't researched into the cars much because of the everyday discussions about their woes, and went into researching the Z. You seem a lot more knowledgeable about the Porsches than I and I trust your word, but their stories made the decision easy for me added into the varying years of cars and still having issues across the board. The choice from then came down to the Nissan or the BMW for me and the Z won based on personal taste.

I don't own a Z (yet), and have never owned a Porsche or a BMW. I do own a C300 Sport and a Civic but those are different creatures. My opinion is only conjecture based on anecdotes.

I also recognize I am just another chuckle head on the net

If you look at my posting history I try to avoid sweeping generalizations with absolutely nothing to back it up. I am an engineer by trade: I deal with facts and data.

I believe you when you say you have folks that have issues a lot. It doesn't surprise me that much. People that buy porsches as garage queens tend to have more problems per capita. Maybe its a german thing...the engineers get upset when people don't use their machines.

The best preventative maintenance for IMS issues is to drive the cars. A lot. Imagine that

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