Note to self - after leaving car wash...

kannibul · 07-02-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Wait.... so you overcorrected a slide at like 8MPH then?

No offense to you, but this is why you should keep the TC on instead of trying to be a cool guy. Do an accident avoidance course and a couple of driving courses where they teach you how to not do what you did. Until then, stop posting about your near accidents and your super-skills because you WILL get flamed.

Just get a chance to learn the car before you don't have a car to learn on anymore.

Thanks for posting some entertainment.

What, is it your personal responsibility on the internet to flame people you view as "l3ss sup3r $kiLl3d" than you?

Get over yourself.

xiven · 07-02-2009, 12:14 PM

wstar · 07-02-2009, 12:17 PM

I kinda thought the same thing as RCZ, I'm just not so, uhhh, direct about it

But now that it's out there... extreme over-corrections like that is a sign that you need to learn how to control the car

kannibul · 07-02-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

I kinda thought the same thing as RCZ, I'm just not so, uhhh, direct about it

But now that it's out there... extreme over-corrections like that is a sign that you need to learn how to control the car

As with anything, you don't know your limits until you exceed them.

Apparently, I found a limit relating to the amount of available traction, and my expectations of what the input I was doing with the car, and the output it gave me.

"Lesson Learned"

wstar · 07-02-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

As with anything, you don't know your limits until you exceed them.

Apparently, I found a limit relating to the amount of available traction, and my expectations of what the input I was doing with the car, and the output it gave me.

"Lesson Learned"

Yeah, there was a bit of learning curve for me with this car as well. I came from a much more oversteer-happy car than this one, so in smoother curves I had to learn to actually use the steering wheel more than the throttle to push the car around. On the flipside, when trying to push through quick sharp sliding oversteer corners (or U-turns), I have to give the Z a lot more gas to get the job done. I'm pretty comfortable with handling my Z now, but I've had 7K miles to figure it out already

xiven · 07-02-2009, 12:41 PM

is the turning radius pretty good when doing u-turns?

thats one thing i hate about my eclipse. i have to swing wide like a big truck to make the turn and pray i don't hit the curb.

m4a1mustang · 07-02-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xiven

is the turning radius pretty good when doing u-turns?

thats one thing i hate about my eclipse. i have to swing wide like a big truck to make the turn and pray i don't hit the curb.

RWD. Turning radius is as tight as you want it to be.

kannibul · 07-02-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Yeah, there was a bit of learning curve for me with this car as well. I came from a much more oversteer-happy car than this one, so in smoother curves I had to learn to actually use the steering wheel more than the throttle to push the car around. On the flipside, when trying to push through quick sharp sliding oversteer corners (or U-turns), I have to give the Z a lot more gas to get the job done. I'm pretty comfortable with handling my Z now, but I've had 7K miles to figure it out already

I can easily say this car handles a LOT differently than other vehicles I've owned - none of them had a locking diff, so I could break one wheel loose and drag the other in a fishtail.

With this, it's more like the rear of the car is on a huge ball bearing. That combined with the incredibly tight turning radius...

I think what threw me a bit too was that the tires bit down unexpectedly too - but, hey, I won't know. If I do it again, I have more knowledge about how the car reacts to driver input now than I did before last night.

racerxj17 · 07-02-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

I can easily say this car handles a LOT differently than other vehicles I've owned - none of them had a locking diff, so I could break one wheel loose and drag the other in a fishtail.

With this, it's more like the rear of the car is on a huge ball bearing. That combined with the incredibly tight turning radius...

I think what threw me a bit too was that the tires bit down unexpectedly too - but, hey, I won't know. If I do it again, I have more knowledge about how the car reacts to driver input now than I did before last night.

we have a locking diff?

Island_370 · 07-02-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

As with anything, you don't know your limits until you exceed them.

Apparently, I found a limit relating to the amount of available traction, and my expectations of what the input I was doing with the car, and the output it gave me.

"Lesson Learned"

The place to learn the limits of a car is at a Driver's Event, not a public street. Controlled, safe environment where people are prepared for the limit to be crossed. The masses on a public road are not expecting a car near them to have a tank slapper. They do not know how to react and you could hurt others...

I am getting too old and too out of shape to keep climbing onto pedistals.

kannibul · 07-02-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Island_370

The place to learn the limits of a car is at a Driver's Event, not a public street. Controlled, safe environment where people are prepared for the limit to be crossed. The masses on a public road are not expecting a car near them to have a tank slapper. They do not know how to react and you could hurt others...

I am getting too old and too out of shape to keep climbing onto pedistals.

It was 11:00PM out in the country with absolutely no traffic around for at least a mile in every direction. While it is/was a public street, but it was also pretty desolate.

That said, I absolutely agree with you...

RCZ · 07-02-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

What, is it your personal responsibility on the internet to flame people you view as "l3ss sup3r $kiLl3d" than you?

Get over yourself.

Yes, you actually nailed it. It is in fact my personal responsibility on the internet to flame people whom I view as being "l3ss sup3r $kiLl3d" than I. You just keep giving me ammo and I thank you for that, however I think I'm just saying what everyone else is thinking without being coy.

I love this forum for all the info and good folks in it, but its a joint effort to keep at least a slight hint of substance in the threads. AK can't yell at you because you've done nothing wrong, but I have no affiliation with the forums other than being a member and that gives me the right to say whats on my mind. There's been a huge (and growing) number of ridiculous nonsensical threads popping up lately and I'm frankly just tired of sifting through the crap to get to the worthwhile ones.

I dont mean to speak for anybody else, but I have a feeling that I am, when I say that nobody cares about how you almost crashed your car leaving a deserted car wash in the middle of the night. I wasn't going to jump in until you said your "quick reflexes and experience" are what saved you, when in fact it was the lack-there-of that got you into that mess. The only thing that saved you was space, luck and low speed. Try those shennanigans at pace and I will be the first in line for the part out.

I'm not singling you out because I dont like you... I dont know you, you may be a cool guy, but people please stop posting junk , no one cares... about who called you out in a parking lot or how many SRT-4's want to race you on a daily basis.

BTW: Are we allowed to call dibs on part outs before they happen? if so DIBS!

imag · 07-02-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Yes, you actually nailed it. It is in fact my personal responsibility on the internet to flame people whom I view as being "l3ss sup3r $kiLl3d" than I. You just keep giving me ammo and I thank you for that, however I think I'm just saying what everyone else is thinking without being coy.

I love this forum for all the info and good folks in it, but its a joint effort to keep at least a slight hint of substance in the threads. AK can't yell at you because you've done nothing wrong, but I have no affiliation with the forums other than being a member and that gives me the right to say whats on my mind. There's been a huge (and growing) number of ridiculous nonsensical threads popping up lately and I'm frankly just tired of sifting through the crap to get to the worthwhile ones.

I dont mean to speak for anybody else, but I have a feeling that I am, when I say that nobody cares about how you almost crashed your car leaving a deserted car wash in the middle of the night. I wasn't going to jump in until you said your "quick reflexes and experience" are what saved you, when in fact it was the lack-there-of that got you into that mess. The only thing that saved you was space, luck and low speed. Try those shennanigans at pace and I will be the first in line for the part out.

I'm not singling you out because I dont like you... I dont know you, you may be a cool guy, but people please stop posting junk , no one cares... about who called you out in a parking lot or how many SRT-4's want to race you on a daily basis.

BTW: Are we allowed to call dibs on part outs before they happen? if so DIBS!

RCZ - you have some really informative posts, and I really appreciate a lot of your passion about vehicles and driving, but from an outside perspective, you're way out of line here.

If you don't like wasting time, don't post (repeatedly) about a timewasting thread. The internet is a timewaster, in case you haven't noticed, and internet skillls *always* involve separating the wheat from the chaff. Personally, what's hard for me to read is someone drilling something when they have no idea where they're coming from.

And sorry to say it, but you're projecting way too much onto this guy. He didn't say he was some jackass street-racer, nor was he crowing about his crazzzy exploits. He just had a moment where he jumped on the throttle on soapy tires and the car got out of hand - and he shared about it on a board where people share about car stuff. If reading about it isn't your cup of tea, fine - skip to the next thread. I'll bet that any person on here doesn't care about at least 50% of the threads on here (including threads on how to set up their car for the track). That's because people are different.

From the outside, you're the one who comes across as a showoff, trying to act like you have never made a mistake on the street, or talking down to them about attending driving classes (which, again, is a way for you to emphasize your mad skillz).

And I hate to tell you, but it actually isn't your responsibility to sanitize the boards for everyone else. Some people aren't on here for the same reasons you are. I have taken driving classes, and I do try to keep it safe on the street, but I could totally see being stoked on my clean wheels, juicing the throttle, and getting a bit sideways. I'd like to assume that wouldn't be 45 degrees sideways, but then I'm not going to judge a street or a situation that I don't have a clue about.

Anyway, I'm sure I'll get flamed back. I just think you seem to view yourself as some kind of cop trying to check other people, and I think you might want to check yourself on this one and apologize.

shiftmx05 · 07-03-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by imag

RCZ - you have some really informative posts, and I really appreciate a lot of your passion about vehicles and driving, but from an outside perspective, you're way out of line here.

If you don't like wasting time, don't post (repeatedly) about a timewasting thread. The internet is a timewaster, in case you haven't noticed, and internet skillls *always* involve separating the wheat from the chaff. Personally, what's hard for me to read is someone drilling something when they have no idea where they're coming from.

And sorry to say it, but you're projecting way too much onto this guy. He didn't say he was some jackass street-racer, nor was he crowing about his crazzzy exploits. He just had a moment where he jumped on the throttle on soapy tires and the car got out of hand - and he shared about it on a board where people share about car stuff. If reading about it isn't your cup of tea, fine - skip to the next thread. I'll bet that any person on here doesn't care about at least 50% of the threads on here (including threads on how to set up their car for the track). That's because people are different.

From the outside, you're the one who comes across as a showoff, trying to act like you have never made a mistake on the street, or talking down to them about attending driving classes (which, again, is a way for you to emphasize your mad skillz).

And I hate to tell you, but it actually isn't your responsibility to sanitize the boards for everyone else. Some people aren't on here for the same reasons you are. I have taken driving classes, and I do try to keep it safe on the street, but I could totally see being stoked on my clean wheels, juicing the throttle, and getting a bit sideways. I'd like to assume that wouldn't be 45 degrees sideways, but then I'm not going to judge a street or a situation that I don't have a clue about.

Anyway, I'm sure I'll get flamed back. I just think you seem to view yourself as some kind of cop trying to check other people, and I think you might want to check yourself on this one and apologize.

You could not have said it any better.
My thoughts exactly.

People continue to post all your 370 stories.
There will always be someone that finds your story intriguing and want to read it. To each his own.

Modshack · 07-03-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shiftmx05

There will always be someone that finds your story intriguing and want to read it.

And others who think you're an idiot....

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wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3596	I kinda thought the same thing as RCZ, I'm just not so, uhhh, direct about it But now that it's out there... extreme over-corrections like that is a sign that you need to learn how to control the car __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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xiven A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Atlanta Age: 45 Posts: 4,128 Drives: Cookie Monster Rep Power: 296	is the turning radius pretty good when doing u-turns? thats one thing i hate about my eclipse. i have to swing wide like a big truck to make the turn and pray i don't hit the curb.