Base Z - Regrets?

mrmixitup · 06-29-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CBRich

Honestly if you plan to track the car you'd be upgrading every component the sport package comes with. The LSD would get swapped, the brakes would be upgraded, and SRM isn't a must have. The sport package is nice but not necessary at all.

Disagree.

99.9% of people are not going to upgrade the LSD or brakes on these cars. And the wheels are actually manufactured very well, although most people will swap them out for heavier, better looking ones.

kannibul · 06-29-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cdawg410

I had a fully loaded touring on my 350 and it was nice. I bought a 370 base when I traded in my 350 and in all honesty: my wife and I enjoy the cloth seats more than the leather, I don't worry about wearing out the outter edges of the leather seats, DC winters aren't so harsh so I'm not gonna miss seat warmers, as nice as the Bose system was, I certainly prefer a real premium system with high end door speakers, JBL sub, amp and double din head unit with back-up camera. VLSD I guess is nice, and as much as I consider myself a hardcore driver, the fact of the matter is, the most hardcore driving I'll do is driving down to Charlottesville on the winding backroads. I've never attended driving school, I don't race, I feel like a good driver, I've been told by those who can really drive that I'm a good driver, but when it comes down to it, who am I kidding. I'm no Cole Trickle. The Rays and bigger brakes woulda been nice but I wanted a Bubba Gump lip on my 350 but couldn't justify it and now I can get 'em cause I have "measly 18's". Sport package still needs an exhaust and intake and the synchro to me means that the years I spend burning out the clutch on my '96 Integra was in vein cause no there is no need for heal n toe. I think that the only mistake that can be made in buying a 370 is getting it in an automatic, there is no excuse for that!!!!

There's no "problem" with having the 370z in an automatic. It's quicker

kannibul · 06-29-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by racerxj17

im very happy i did not get a base. i searched for over a month, put TONS of hours into finding a white, base, with sports 6 spd. couldnt do it! i really wanted white, and sports, and needed a stick shift (to deter the GF from driving it), so i settled for the only one i could find, touring sport with nav.

turns out, that is my favorite part of the car. coming from a truck with 420+ hp, that handles great, i found myself loving the leather, luxury, and nav.

not saying i would not be happy with the sports, but in my case it was meant to be!

That was my thinking too, but I got my 370z under invoice, else I'd have to pay extra to have them locate and pull one in to where the price would have been the same.

Now my significant other wants to drive it, which I'm sure she's 75% joking 25% not - still, it's the 25% that's getting on my nerves a bit.

MursePaolo · 06-29-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Ummm, it is a great way for those less experienced on the track to be able to jump in have one less thing in the equation to worry about. As you progress you can turn it off and learn to heal/toe properly. Remember the feature is either 100% on or off so if you do not like it just turn it off. Also, I will say that SRM is great for traffic in a manual, have to do less work (not the same as an automatic though).

new people will lean on the technology supplied. This has been done many times over. If you're going to learn something, why not learn it the right way from the start - by actually doing it? Seriously if someone is gonna get into racing and doesnt know how to blip the throttle, maybe they should think twice about it or do more research. This is something you can practice during daily driving! S-mode ftl.

theDreamer · 06-29-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MursePaolo

new people will lean on the technology supplied. This has been done many times over. If you're going to learn something, why not learn it the right way from the start - by actually doing it? Seriously if someone is gonna get into racing and doesnt know how to blip the throttle, maybe they should think twice about it or do more research. This is something you can practice during daily driving! S-mode ftl.

So because we have technology which makes it easier to track your car and focus on other issues, "new" drivers should not even attempt unless they learn the old way? I am all for learning things which help me fundamentally understand my car better, and heel/toe kinda is one but not a major one in my opinion. I would gladly turn on SRM and worry about how to handle my car better than have to worry about blipping the throttle and making sure I am taking the next turn properly.

New technology will always make things easier or more efficient. Now if it goes against what many have spent years learning and perfecting I can understand them being upset when some new kid comes in thinking he is hot stuff, but on the other side I would embrace the fact that I have access to this technology also and am already better than this new kid. Just because he does not have to heel/toe does not magically make him better or able to handle his car.

Z_you_Later · 06-29-2009, 05:22 PM

I got my 370z Black 6 Speed Touring with Nav .. I would of course love the Sports Package and think for the price offered it's a great upgrade but, in my case I got my Z under invoice with all the features I wanted ... I enjoy the Navi and don't get lost as much as I usually do (haha) .. I don't mind driving without S-Mode and even if I did get the Sports Package would probably end up changing my rims anyways... I think the brakes are decent especially for daily driving .. I'm happy with my ride ...

travisjb · 06-29-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MursePaolo

...Seriously if someone is gonna get into racing and doesnt know how to blip the throttle, maybe they should think twice about it...

[rant] This is a ridiculous statement... how about abs is that for ******* too?... why not just let people have fun at the track and encourage them to be part of the sport instead of acting as if it is some elite club that no one should join until they master skills of the past ? should everyone learn to sprint to their cars too ? [/rant]

All: SRM is a great tool for the track... let's you learn at a pace, helps with reliability of your clutch and drivetrain, is a safety feature in that you're less likely to lose control in a down shift.... don't like it, turn it off

alexanderb · 06-29-2009, 09:49 PM

MursePaolo · 06-30-2009, 02:43 AM

ok, i think we're at a bit of a headbutting here. what i don't understand is why someone who would like to learn how to drive stick and eventually race, would turn that thing on. isn't a big fun part of driving/racing stick is learning how to do things yourself? i mean, it's not rocket science. watch video or learn from someone human, get in car, turn on car, go to a track or wherever, have fun learning. what's the point really? you're still going to have to learn the right times to brake and downshift. might as well throw in rev-matching in there too. it SERIOUSLY doesn't take that long to learn how to rev-match. sure as hell shouldn't take enough time to have to learn it from SRM. you can learn how to match going under 35mph during daily driving. how the hell can you lose control learning that way? gotta have some terrible coordination to do that. also, there's nothing really wrong with leaning on technology. what i'm saying is, if someone who's new learns on the new tech and knows it's there to save his ***, it'll be harder to learn the old ways! this is precisely why so many people don't know how to pump brakes without ABS. it's not that ABS is bad, it's just there. get my drift?

if i'm seriously the only one that thinks like this, then never mind. i guess it's just a personal gripe. still want the Z with or without SRM/sport package.

370Z Purist · 06-30-2009, 03:06 AM

Everyone understands it's good to learn everything, the point of what everyone was saying is that they can learn manual driving, then once they're good enough to not be worried with learning when to / remembering to shift. Then once they've got simple accelerating down, they can move onto downshifting, which is reasonably more difficult than simply shifting up.

SRM is a welcome addition for anyone who is just in need of less work in traffic, or someone who is learning the very ropes of manual. I think the two hardest things to learn would be starts from a dead stop, and also doing it fast enough to avoid coasting downhill too much. Learning the perfect clutch engagement point for one car takes time, and once you've got one car mastered, you know the exact feel of when the clutch grabs. Then you can apply to other manual cars without much difficulty.

I'm still somewhat new to manual (did not learn in the Z, but did stall a few times when starting from a dead stop), and I just don't have all the time in the world to practice downshifting, and also the fact that there's no open, low traffic road to do it on. Downshifting for me will have to wait until I find a relatively open road, hopefully with no police trying to ticket me on "reckless driving" while trying to learn proper heel-toe or single clutch... damn this place, there's no open road! Oh, and I don't want to destroy my clutch, even if it is covered under warranty (and will still probably be replaced by a high pressure clutch in time).

alexanderb · 06-30-2009, 03:23 AM

Sometimes with the advancement of technology you can discard with the old ways. That's innovation. Just because someone does not learn to heel toe does not mean he can't be a good track driver. I'd bet a few years down the line when most race cars are equipped with SRM making it the norm there will be some pretty good race drives who would not know how to heel toe because they simply don't need to.

370Z Purist · 06-30-2009, 03:24 AM

I still think that heel-toeing is actually more efficient in a good driver, mainly because it allows for constant change into gears. A good driver knows what is happening, SRM can only predict.

alexanderb · 06-30-2009, 03:25 AM

Just look at the SMG tranny...most exotics now use SMG discarding the need for operating the clutch pedal... just another example of technological innovation...

370Z Purist · 06-30-2009, 03:30 AM

I think in a society where technology is contributing more to laziness ... well, in some cases, I still advocate the straight use of a clutch and gearshift. I'd much rather have that tactile pleasure than having a machine do it for me. There also happen to be ... something that my friend told me about, that a drive by wire system, and also an electronically controlled throttle may cause problems and otherwise be a detrimental thing on a performance car. I don't specifically remember why he said it was.

Also, more computers = more chance of sudden catastrophic failure, and possibly, global conquer by computerized artificial intelligence realizing they're better than humans. (I, Robot, anyone?)

cossie1600 · 06-30-2009, 07:42 AM

I think having the S mode as an option is great. Use it if you like, the ability to turn it off is priceless. I also love how it remembers the setting from the last time you start up, not some default setting like VDC.

Arguing over this is like talking about VDC, some people will swear by it and some people won't touch it with a 10 foot pole

06-30-2009, 03:06 AM	#55 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 18	Everyone understands it's good to learn everything, the point of what everyone was saying is that they can learn manual driving, then once they're good enough to not be worried with learning when to / remembering to shift. Then once they've got simple accelerating down, they can move onto downshifting, which is reasonably more difficult than simply shifting up. SRM is a welcome addition for anyone who is just in need of less work in traffic, or someone who is learning the very ropes of manual. I think the two hardest things to learn would be starts from a dead stop, and also doing it fast enough to avoid coasting downhill too much. Learning the perfect clutch engagement point for one car takes time, and once you've got one car mastered, you know the exact feel of when the clutch grabs. Then you can apply to other manual cars without much difficulty. I'm still somewhat new to manual (did not learn in the Z, but did stall a few times when starting from a dead stop), and I just don't have all the time in the world to practice downshifting, and also the fact that there's no open, low traffic road to do it on. Downshifting for me will have to wait until I find a relatively open road, hopefully with no police trying to ticket me on "reckless driving" while trying to learn proper heel-toe or single clutch... damn this place, there's no open road! Oh, and I don't want to destroy my clutch, even if it is covered under warranty (and will still probably be replaced by a high pressure clutch in time). __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

06-30-2009, 03:24 AM	#57 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 18	I still think that heel-toeing is actually more efficient in a good driver, mainly because it allows for constant change into gears. A good driver knows what is happening, SRM can only predict. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

06-30-2009, 03:30 AM	#59 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 18	I think in a society where technology is contributing more to laziness ... well, in some cases, I still advocate the straight use of a clutch and gearshift. I'd much rather have that tactile pleasure than having a machine do it for me. There also happen to be ... something that my friend told me about, that a drive by wire system, and also an electronically controlled throttle may cause problems and otherwise be a detrimental thing on a performance car. I don't specifically remember why he said it was. Also, more computers = more chance of sudden catastrophic failure, and possibly, global conquer by computerized artificial intelligence realizing they're better than humans. (I, Robot, anyone?) __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

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MursePaolo Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 34 Drives: 98 Integra GS-R Rep Power: 15	ok, i think we're at a bit of a headbutting here. what i don't understand is why someone who would like to learn how to drive stick and eventually race, would turn that thing on. isn't a big fun part of driving/racing stick is learning how to do things yourself? i mean, it's not rocket science. watch video or learn from someone human, get in car, turn on car, go to a track or wherever, have fun learning. what's the point really? you're still going to have to learn the right times to brake and downshift. might as well throw in rev-matching in there too. it SERIOUSLY doesn't take that long to learn how to rev-match. sure as hell shouldn't take enough time to have to learn it from SRM. you can learn how to match going under 35mph during daily driving. how the hell can you lose control learning that way? gotta have some terrible coordination to do that. also, there's nothing really wrong with leaning on technology. what i'm saying is, if someone who's new learns on the new tech and knows it's there to save his ***, it'll be harder to learn the old ways! this is precisely why so many people don't know how to pump brakes without ABS. it's not that ABS is bad, it's just there. get my drift? if i'm seriously the only one that thinks like this, then never mind. i guess it's just a personal gripe. still want the Z with or without SRM/sport package.

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alexanderb Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Manila Posts: 170 Drives: PG 370 Tour/Sprt/Nav Rep Power: 270	Sometimes with the advancement of technology you can discard with the old ways. That's innovation. Just because someone does not learn to heel toe does not mean he can't be a good track driver. I'd bet a few years down the line when most race cars are equipped with SRM making it the norm there will be some pretty good race drives who would not know how to heel toe because they simply don't need to.

06-30-2009, 03:25 AM	#58 (permalink)
alexanderb Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Manila Posts: 170 Drives: PG 370 Tour/Sprt/Nav Rep Power: 270	Just look at the SMG tranny...most exotics now use SMG discarding the need for operating the clutch pedal... just another example of technological innovation...

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