Why can't very capeable people do what Ford can ....

ZMan8 · 07-28-2012, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bam

Just gonna leave this here...
Next-Generation Nissan GT-R Might Not Happen

I hope that's not true. Would be such a shame to lose such a magnificent automotive achievement.

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alcheng · 07-28-2012, 03:40 AM

People always/usually expect new generation has to be bigger displacement, more horses, better here and more there.

No one mention/think about the price...

How much a V8 or 400hp Fairlady should price at??

30K? Is it possible? Surely, when the overall quality has to be lowered to compensate the cost.

40K+?? General public might consider other brands, especially European brands.

Some say a FI Fairlady, some say a V8, some say with a turbo option.....

How much money do you want Nissan to spend on the development of the next Z? Or... be realistic, how much do you think Nissan will spend on the development of the next Z???

Some say cross-platform... alright, it could work, and how much are you willing to pay for a V8 Fairlady? Or... be realistic, how much do you think the general public will spend on a Japanese car??

Yes, horsepower is important for a sports car, but other factors are also as same important in the formula of strong sales.

Look at Toyota Supra, very good sports car, strong horsepower, it make huge noise when it first came out... turbo, lots of horsepower blah blah blah... and Toyota withdrawn it from the North American market after years of its weak sales... because of its hefty price tag on a Japanese car....

Imagine, the next Z got those upgrades such as horsepower, FI options... what will the price tag look like??

Bad timing on the introduction of 370z, surely.

And currently the economy is not any better than couple years ago.... do you think it's a good time to introduce a new but more expensive Z??

my CAD$0.02

HArturo319 · 07-28-2012, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

I hope that's not true. Would be such a shame to lose such a magnificent automotive achievement.

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I don't think they're stopping production, I believe they're just not revising for a new generation.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-28-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

I hope that's not true. Would be such a shame to lose such a magnificent automotive achievement.

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haven't you heard? The GT-R is too perfect. any idiot can drive one.

alcheng · 07-28-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

haven't you heard? The GT-R is too perfect. any idiot can drive one.

But not any idiot can buy one....

Magic Bus · 07-28-2012, 04:12 AM

alcheng, Your CAD $0.02 is worth just as much as our US $0.02

alcheng · 07-28-2012, 04:52 AM

Magic Bus

That's why we like to buy used Z from the States...

eastwest2300 · 07-28-2012, 10:09 PM

Aint that the truth..

b1adesofcha0s · 07-28-2012, 10:11 PM

I would be hugely disappointed if they stopped making the GT-R. That would be an epic fail on Nissan's part. I think it will get approved eventually, but they might take like 2-3 yrs off to help build hype and stuff.

N0SL3N · 07-29-2012, 01:25 AM

I think Nissan needs to look at the BMW 335. I have the 3.0L TT N54 engine and that thing is fast. With a simple <$1000 module you can easily bring it up to 400 hp at the crank.

My biggest complaint with the Z is torque. While it gets up to speed pretty quick, there is not the 'oh **** this is quick' feeling that I get in an all wheel drive 4 door sedan. The next Z should have a 3.X litre engine with some sort of twin (or twin scroll) turbo that can reliably produce 400hp and 350ish torque at a low boost. And then with a modest ($$) amount of tuning people can increase the boost and get over 400hp at the wheels.

This would really help the Z compete with some other cars (mustang, M3, C63) while not stealing sales from the GTR. Either way I think Nissan would be happy with sales being stolen from the GTR if they sell 5 Zs for every 1 GTR they do not sell.

I also do not like the idea of different engines at different trim levels. I feel like it waters down the experience as the car should be built and sold how it is intended to drive.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-29-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by N0SL3N

I think Nissan needs to look at the BMW 335. I have the 3.0L TT N54 engine and that thing is fast. With a simple <$1000 module you can easily bring it up to 400 hp at the crank.

My biggest complaint with the Z is torque. While it gets up to speed pretty quick, there is not the 'oh **** this is quick' feeling that I get in an all wheel drive 4 door sedan. The next Z should have a 3.X litre engine with some sort of twin (or twin scroll) turbo that can reliably produce 400hp and 350ish torque at a low boost. And then with a modest ($$) amount of tuning people can increase the boost and get over 400hp at the wheels.

This would really help the Z compete with some other cars (mustang, M3, C63) while not stealing sales from the GTR. Either way I think Nissan would be happy with sales being stolen from the GTR if they sell 5 Zs for every 1 GTR they do not sell.

I also do not like the idea of different engines at different trim levels. I feel like it waters down the experience as the car should be built and sold how it is intended to drive.

Makes sense to me... But the GT-R being TwinTurbo AWD 545hp and 60k more. I doubt it would cut in. 375/400hp on an twin scroll single turbo Z would be perfect, and a weight no greater than 3100lbs.

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N0SL3N Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 376 Drives: 2009 PG 370z 6MT Rep Power: 35	I think Nissan needs to look at the BMW 335. I have the 3.0L TT N54 engine and that thing is fast. With a simple <$1000 module you can easily bring it up to 400 hp at the crank. My biggest complaint with the Z is torque. While it gets up to speed pretty quick, there is not the 'oh **** this is quick' feeling that I get in an all wheel drive 4 door sedan. The next Z should have a 3.X litre engine with some sort of twin (or twin scroll) turbo that can reliably produce 400hp and 350ish torque at a low boost. And then with a modest ($$) amount of tuning people can increase the boost and get over 400hp at the wheels. This would really help the Z compete with some other cars (mustang, M3, C63) while not stealing sales from the GTR. Either way I think Nissan would be happy with sales being stolen from the GTR if they sell 5 Zs for every 1 GTR they do not sell. I also do not like the idea of different engines at different trim levels. I feel like it waters down the experience as the car should be built and sold how it is intended to drive. __________________ \| Akuma \| Motordyne \| Z1 \| NST \| CNT \| Stillen \| Avant Garde \| RJM \| Performix \| Tint \| LED \| GTR \| Nissan \|

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07-28-2012, 03:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
alcheng A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 28,894 Drives: 2011 ZR PW w/Clutch Rep Power: 418354	People always/usually expect new generation has to be bigger displacement, more horses, better here and more there. No one mention/think about the price... How much a V8 or 400hp Fairlady should price at?? 30K? Is it possible? Surely, when the overall quality has to be lowered to compensate the cost. 40K+?? General public might consider other brands, especially European brands. Some say a FI Fairlady, some say a V8, some say with a turbo option..... How much money do you want Nissan to spend on the development of the next Z? *Or... be realistic,* how much do you think Nissan will spend on the development of the next Z??? Some say cross-platform... alright, it could work, and how much are you willing to pay for a V8 Fairlady? Or... be realistic, how much do you think the general public will spend on a Japanese car??** Yes, horsepower is important for a sports car, but other factors are also as same important in the formula of strong sales. Look at Toyota Supra, very good sports car, strong horsepower, it make huge noise when it first came out... turbo, lots of horsepower blah blah blah... and Toyota withdrawn it from the North American market after years of its weak sales... because of its hefty price tag on a Japanese car.... Imagine, the next Z got those upgrades such as horsepower, FI options... what will the price tag look like?? Bad timing on the introduction of 370z, surely. And currently the economy is not any better than couple years ago.... do you think it's a good time to introduce a new but more expensive Z?? my CAD$0.02

07-28-2012, 04:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18755	alcheng, Your CAD $0.02 is worth just as much as our US $0.02

07-28-2012, 04:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
alcheng A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 28,894 Drives: 2011 ZR PW w/Clutch Rep Power: 418354	Magic Bus That's why we like to buy used Z from the States...