Why can't very capeable people do what Ford can ....

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Should they be compared? No because they are different cars like you said. Are they compared? Yes they are by most people looking to buy a performance car in this price range. Example, I have a budget of about $35k and I'm looking to buy a performance car. I'm obviously gonna cross shop the Z with the 5.0 and even other things like an Evo, Sti, Cayman (used), etc. Just because the cars aren't in the same class doesn't mean I can't compare them. These comparisons are perfectly valid in my decision of which car I want to buy.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You're Right... but they are not valid when you ask the Z to be more like a stang. if the Z is too slow? buy the stang? if you like the Z better but need to go faster? buy and mod the Z. Just be realistic about the complete & different and individual purposes of each car. you have 35k maybe you need a corvette used? mustang power, Z like handling under some conditions. better than Z in others. But nissan shouldn't sell out the Z to be like a stang' or downgrade power to be like a BRZ... i want the Z to keep its own identity.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You're Right... but they are not valid when you ask the Z to be more like a stang. if the Z is too slow? buy the stang? if you like the Z better but need to go faster? buy and mod the Z. Just be realistic about the complete & different and individual purposes of each car. you have 35k maybe you need a corvette used? mustang power, Z like handling under some conditions. better than Z in others. But nissan shouldn't sell out the Z to be like a stang' or downgrade power to be like a BRZ... i want the Z to keep its own identity.

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

i never said it should be more like the mustang. I said it should be able to match or best its level of performance. To do that with the z you need to significantly mod it, more than just bolt ons. The z can keep its identity and still get a step up in its overall performance level. What i'm saying is that this step up from the z34 to the z35 needs to be a big step and not a small step if it wants to be competitive in the market. Before the z and the mustang used to be at the same level performance wise. Now the 5.0 is up competing with the m3 and the z is getting left behind.

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

i'm a firm believer in "competition breeds innovation", especially for the automotive industry. Why wouldn't you want the z to match or best the performance of the mustang? Staying competitive with its competitors is the only way the z will survive and live to get better. You're missing the fact that the mustang is not only faster than the z in a straight line, but also around a track.

Nissan should be setting their aims high rather than low. Why go after the v6 when you have the capability to take down the bigger and badder v8 mustang/camaro/etc. That's what it did with the gt-r and it has earned so much recognition because of it. They could have easily had it best the bmw and mercedes in it's price range, but instead they went after more exotic supercars that cost like 5 times as much.