Why can't very capeable people do what Ford can ....

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NISSAN370Z=V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V6V 6V6V6V6V6V6
MUSTANG GT=V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V 8V8

INNOVATION???????? If nissan chooses to FI and reduce weight on the Z to be faster than a stang... Awesome. but dont forget what the Z is. And the Z is not and never was or should be a v8 or 4cyl.
Selling it out with a 5.6 to appease some domestic muscle-jocker is out of the question to ANY TRUE Z ENTHUSIAST.

REMEMBER THE GTR COST 106K NICELY EQUIPPED AND THE MUSTANG AT ITS HIGHEST IS 70K. gtr point not taken

Actually the shelby starts at $54,900
The nissan gt-r starts at $96,820

HUGE DIFFERENCE

Spikuh

I see letters and numbers, but little more.

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In other words... it took way more money to make a GT-R faster than a mustang shelby.
the culture of the mustang is a V8 standard vehicle built up to sports car status and succeeded incredibly.
The Z was built as a sports car from the ground up with different characteristics that set it apart from standard cars in its character, performance and behavior. The Z is not designed to be in NASCAR. that's why there's is no NASCAR Z.

This is amazing. you guys want the Z to be everything for under $50k. Handle like the cayman. beat the mustang and have the interior quality of BMW. I think you guys should be looking at ferrari and not Z. Unless you want the Z to cost more than the GT-R. its not feasible at sub 50k with everything the Z offers.

AND THIS IS NOT OUR DOMESTIC. It's JAPAN'S interpretation of a sports car.
Do you go to a french restaurant and tell them I want the frog legs but with gator meat? While going faster and innovation is somethiong we all want. Lets keep it in perspective to Japans vision of the Z. I personally dont need a mustang transplant in the Z. That's why ford throws R&D money on the stang to be what it is...

There's other ways for the Z to be fast aside from it copying muscle-car culture... The Z isn't a muscle car.

wolf370z

I think the problem boils down to the Z getting beat at it's own game. It's not much of a sports car if it loses to muscle cars on the track

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Davey

It is kind of disappointing that the turns vs. straights breakdown doesn't show that the Mustang is losing in the corners and then making up time on the straights due to the HP advantage.

wolf370z

I agree. It kind of is. Even worse when you start to think about the performance of the two vehicles after doing some basic mods. The Mustang GT just keeps getting further and further ahead. The 370z, without any sort of FI or similar displacement in its NA form just loses harder and harder. That is, assuming, both cars spend the exact same amount of $ in mods.

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Davey

A far as making more power, sure, but you're talking about a 5-liter motor making 85 hp/liter (which is great for an American V8) versus a V6 making 90 hp/liter with a valvetrain that no one knows how to really manipulate yet.

Handling-wise I would honestly expect, outside of the fact that import parts are more expensive, similar modifications would provide comparable improvements. Of course, you can throws $$$$ worth of parts at something and ruin the handling, too, so having the right parts available and choosing wisely is important.

And I'll tell you this, as much as I can see a guy trading a Z in on a Mustang GT since it's such a great performance bang for the buck, I can definitely see that guy missing the feel of how the Z drove, even though it was slower.

b1adesofcha0s

Exactly! Back in 2009-2010 the Z was better and faster than the Mustang V8 and it was winning all of the comparisons with similarly priced cars. This is no longer the case.

Also the GT-R didn't start at $100k. When it came out in 2009 it was sold at $70k MSRP. The reason it shot up is because it outperformed all those cars that were way above it. They made performance improvements every year so it stayed competitive and the price rose with them every year. Even though it's price kept going up, the GT-R still can't be beat performance wise at it's price point and that is why it is still doing well. This is not the case for the Z. It can and is beat at its own game for the same cost if not even a tiny bit cheaper. The GT-R is Nissan's halo car and their most expensive one so it doesn't have a price ceiling. The Z may go up in price, but they do have to somewhat keep it in check based on their competition.

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But you do realize that if the quarter mile was stretched further the Z would lose torque and fall back to the 08 stang. And you also realize that both cars with full bolt ons the Z was the loser. The Z true victory was on the complex track over the 08 stang. though it could beat the 08 stang stock. other factors under modification took it away.
the z being faster than the stang was coincidence. nissan was tryimng to make it rival a cayman, not beat a stang.... hmmmm????

the 08 stang though was just a horrible car. everything was beating it. pontiac had em destroyed with the gto.

whoady4shoady

You just shut the thread down!

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