Why can't very capeable people do what Ford can ....

Davey · 07-27-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by elmz

I think everyone is so caught up in HP. What the Z really needs to do is get to sub 3000 lbs while out putting similar power. But sure, more torque would be nice

I would like this approach.

The important thing to me is to improve power/weight ratio and most importantly if the car is to remain true to the sports car heritage it should get lighter.

Davey · 07-27-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by whoady4shoady

Dont be mad cause a dead horse is faster around a track than our Zs.

I'm not.

didymus · 07-27-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Davey

I would like this approach.

The important thing to me is to improve power/weight ratio and most importantly if the car is to remain true to the sports car heritage it should get lighter.

How do you think they could lower weight? Anyone know how the 370 was lightened from the 350? The problem is probably that beyond a certain point it starts getting pricey to lower weight further, which nissan doesn't want to do.

TerribleONE · 07-27-2012, 10:50 AM

I think they have already kind of met that point ^

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-27-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

there's cost. then there's cost... and cost and cost and cost and economy and you end up with the same engine used on G37's due to cost.

nakamura and french guy knows this. but they still decided to launch the 370Z with that engine so i am not sure why they are facepalming now. i think the car is brilliant for what it is.

They're facepalming cuz americans are the largest market. And generally,the american market likes to COPY or be copied. If another country does somethimg original? it sucks till america could do it better or that country can outperform a mustang for less money. Garbage mentality.

Show me an NA v6 that is as powerful and as fast as the VQ in america and i will mail that guy a box of milkbones.

what kills me is how the american market gets angry over the Z not being as fast as a GT. but the 3.7 v6 stang is its displacement rival. yet the Z is a few 10ths short of a mustang GT.

Everybody wants the Z to be the fastest on the bock. QUESTION? IF our Z was a 12.4 second car stock. It would cost almost as much as a M3. Would you guys buy it? hell naw. you'd be complaining the Z wasnt as HQ as a BMW. you guys would talk about the overpriced nissan like its a kia. The gtr suffers that now and its the fastest production car in the market.

there's nothing wrong ith the current Z except i still dont really understand vvel. And if that's why we supposedly have oil heating issues? Then maybe we don't need it?

Would i welcome a new and more capable V6 ONLY engine in the Z??? Hell yeah. FI? hell yesssssss. v8... fukk no. u want a f'in muscle car? buy one. i didn't buy the Z to compete or feel like a stang. you have the stang and the bimmer to perform like each other. leave the Z a cult car... love it or leave it and i"ll order the rhd from japan when they decide to chuck an american version.

Compdoc777 · 07-27-2012, 11:16 AM

No matter what they are going to need to bring up HP to match the mustang and other related cars. They will probably use DI and a efficient turbo like most car companies are doing now. It will be a smaller motor. They will probably use more aluminum in the suspension. My Sky had the aluminum rear axel out of the CTS-V. I am sure Nissan can switch to a lighter rear axel.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-27-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, so basically borrow parts from platforms that sell well and i think that's the only way to keep the Z a budget sports car in this current economy.

imagine the next Z sharing the new sentra/versa/juke platform.

they should make the Z a 5.6 litre fwd...

bigdog1250 · 07-27-2012, 11:22 AM

It's all about multi powertrain options. Ford is KING of this. Give us a boosted 4 and a beastly V8! Cost can still be kept low if they borrow the previously mentioned power plants from the infiniti/nissan line-up.

Cheaper car for those who want it. BEAST MODE car for the others

420hp in a Z would be FAST and fun... but still shouldn't detract from GTR owneres. No way would you get a 0-60 in 2.9 with a V8 RWD Z.

kenchan · 07-27-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

they should make the Z a 5.6 litre fwd...

CVT with hybrid for the ultimate fail.

TerribleONE · 07-27-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

CVT with hybrid for the ultimate fail.

they could always just borrow the fits tranny... I think that they found a way to fail harder with that than CVT!

kenchan · 07-27-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TerribleONE

they could always just borrow the fits tranny... I think that they found a way to fail harder with that than CVT!

whoady4shoady · 07-27-2012, 11:35 AM

we need a hybrid z with more airbags and 22inch rims IMHO.

TerribleONE · 07-27-2012, 11:37 AM

22s are like the new 19s. go big or go home.. 24's or you might as well be rolling on 16s

Davey · 07-27-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by didymus

How do you think they could lower weight? Anyone know how the 370 was lightened from the 350? The problem is probably that beyond a certain point it starts getting pricey to lower weight further, which nissan doesn't want to do.

Good question. Lightweight materials are more expensive, that is for sure, and since they also want to improve the cost it seems likely they'll make the car smaller.

whoady4shoady · 07-27-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TerribleONE

22s are like the new 19s. go big or go home.. 24's or you might as well be rolling on 16s

Mybe on a passenger vehicle, but not a 2d coupe son!

Plus, you want to keep the weight down. HEHE

07-27-2012, 10:50 AM	#49 (permalink)
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07-27-2012, 11:22 AM	#53 (permalink)
bigdog1250 Track Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 846 Drives: 991.2 GT3 Rep Power: 17	It's all about multi powertrain options. Ford is KING of this. Give us a boosted 4 and a beastly V8! Cost can still be kept low if they borrow the previously mentioned power plants from the infiniti/nissan line-up. Cheaper car for those who want it. BEAST MODE car for the others 420hp in a Z would be FAST and fun... but still shouldn't detract from GTR owneres. No way would you get a 0-60 in 2.9 with a V8 RWD Z. __________________ 350z / 40th 370z / C6 Z06 / BMW M4 / V10 R8 / C7 Grand Spot / 997.1 GT3 / S2K / Camaro ZL1 / 718 GTS / 991.2 GT3

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TerribleONE A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 10,203 Drives: WOT Rep Power: 5850	22s are like the new 19s. go big or go home.. 24's or you might as well be rolling on 16s __________________ 638WHP 541WTQ @ 13.5PSI Build thread

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07-27-2012, 11:16 AM	#51 (permalink)
Compdoc777 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Cypress Posts: 277 Drives: 2011 Nismo #4 MB Rep Power: 13	No matter what they are going to need to bring up HP to match the mustang and other related cars. They will probably use DI and a efficient turbo like most car companies are doing now. It will be a smaller motor. They will probably use more aluminum in the suspension. My Sky had the aluminum rear axel out of the CTS-V. I am sure Nissan can switch to a lighter rear axel.