Why can't very capeable people do what Ford can ....

my2004Z · 07-26-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chris410

Problem is if they did this not many would opt for a GTR.

They would now have a choice between a used GT-R or a new Z. Either way they are buying Nissan. Most "what should I get" forums here are for a Z or a 5.0 or a Corvette. The gap between the Z and GT-R is too great and needs to be narrowed.

Davey · 07-26-2012, 01:53 PM

I'd love to see that V8 in the next Z car.

Mt Tam I am · 07-26-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

there's cost. then there's cost... and cost and cost and cost and economy and you end up with the same engine used on G37's due to cost.

nakamura and french guy knows this. but they still decided to launch the 370Z with that engine so i am not sure why they are facepalming now. i think the car is brilliant for what it is.

RE: there's cost. then there's cost... and cost and cost and cost and economy and you end up with the same engine used on G37's due to cost.

So why not cross platform with Infiniti V8 vs V6? Instead they talk about a smaller Nissan shared platform.

Yadah, yahda, profit. Economics. Remove passion. I get it.

I too think the car is brilliant for what it is.

kenchan · 07-26-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

RE: there's cost. then there's cost... and cost and cost and cost and economy and you end up with the same engine used on G37's due to cost.

So why not cross platform with Infiniti V8 vs V6? Instead they talk about a smaller Nissan shared platform.

Yadah, yahda, profit. Economics. Remove passion. I get it.

I too think the car is brilliant for what it is.

you already know the answer to that too, mr. tam.

the Z is nissan's budget fun car and they have other plans to bring in higher end sport-coupes for infiniti unrelated to the Z.

they are making a strong distinction between budget and luxury, GTR being their only exception.

Compdoc777 · 07-26-2012, 02:24 PM

Nissan. Need to update the technology on all the motors. The VQ needs DI, with turbo smaller displacement @ 3.0 Power and Torque. With a lot the goodies oil sprayers, cooler, twin clutch. That would make the car fun and fuel efficient.

Heck my 2.0 DI turbo in my Sky made 300 whp 350 torque with tune and driving like a bat out of hell I could maintain 18 mpg. Boosting to 24 lbs.

kenchan · 07-26-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Compdoc777

Heck my 2.0 DI turbo in my Sky made 300 whp 350 torque with tune and driving like a bat out of hell I could maintain 18 mpg. Boosting to 24 lbs.

yah, were is saturn today?

Lug · 07-26-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chris410

I hope they do not put a turbo 4 in the mustang. A V6 for the "regular" model sure but a turbo 4? The car is too big and heavy unless they completely move away from the muscle car roots the Mustang has.

They will keep the 5.0 for performance but the Turbo4 2.0 has already been taken to 275 hp/280 ft/lbs in one iteration and to 300 hp in another . The V6 users aren't going to be as critical of engine type as the V8 crowd and if they save on gas, the help the fleet average. I'd bet 5.0 and 2.0 turbo for the 2015 model. They could go withhte turbo V6 as the power option but I'd bet they's see a large loss in their existing base and Ford ain't stupid. Hell, they may offer all three. Choice is nice!

2011 Nismo#91 · 07-26-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Why can't very capeable people do what Ford can with their V8's and turn out 400+ HP and get better mileage?

15/26 Ford
16/24 M56
Isn't really better by any noticeable amount.

Mt Tam I am · 07-26-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

15/26 Ford
16/24 M56
Isn't really better by any noticeable amount.

Remember Nissan (somebody) mentioned CAFE standards may need to be improved.

370Z 18/26 MPG. V6 is 2 MPG better on each end. Hardly the normal V6 vs V8 difference.

I've never made either number in the real world either.

whoady4shoady · 07-26-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, were is saturn today?

In space...............

Bick · 07-26-2012, 03:59 PM

The current z model is comparable to a porche Boxster or cayman for half the price. I don't see why Nissan doesn't continue to refine the current iteration of the z instead of going with a smaller lighter version, I know i won't be buying a turboed 4 popper. I would however buy a turboed 6 cylinder

2011 Nismo#91 · 07-26-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Remember Nissan (somebody) mentioned CAFE standards may need to be improved.

370Z 18/26 MPG. V6 is 2 MPG better on each end. Hardly the normal V6 vs V8 difference.

I've never made either number in the real world either.

The real world isn't what CAFE cares about. making the Z a 100mpg car won't change the average fuel economy of Nissan motors. Changing the High volume cars a few mpg would make a big difference. All this noise is just show boating to sound good.

Nissan sells like 40k Altimas a month, I think the Z sells well under 500.

kenchan · 07-26-2012, 04:28 PM

yah, so basically borrow parts from platforms that sell well and i think that's the only way to keep the Z a budget sports car in this current economy.

imagine the next Z sharing the new sentra/versa/juke platform.

Compdoc777 · 07-26-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, were is saturn today?

Saturn may be gone but the motor 2.0 ecotec DI turbo motor is used across all GM platforms and still going very strong.

kenchan · 07-26-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Compdoc777

Saturn may be gone but the motor 2.0 ecotec DI turbo motor is used across all GM platforms and still going very strong.

yah, but the point is, nakamura and french guy is running a company, not an engine.

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07-26-2012, 01:53 PM	#17 (permalink)
Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117171	I'd love to see that V8 in the next Z car.

07-26-2012, 02:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
Compdoc777 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Cypress Posts: 277 Drives: 2011 Nismo #4 MB Rep Power: 13	Nissan. Need to update the technology on all the motors. The VQ needs DI, with turbo smaller displacement @ 3.0 Power and Torque. With a lot the goodies oil sprayers, cooler, twin clutch. That would make the car fun and fuel efficient. Heck my 2.0 DI turbo in my Sky made 300 whp 350 torque with tune and driving like a bat out of hell I could maintain 18 mpg. Boosting to 24 lbs.

07-26-2012, 03:59 PM	#26 (permalink)
Bick Base Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 16 Drives: 2011 370Z BS A7 Rep Power: 12	The current z model is comparable to a porche Boxster or cayman for half the price. I don't see why Nissan doesn't continue to refine the current iteration of the z instead of going with a smaller lighter version, I know i won't be buying a turboed 4 popper. I would however buy a turboed 6 cylinder

07-26-2012, 04:28 PM	#28 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	yah, so basically borrow parts from platforms that sell well and i think that's the only way to keep the Z a budget sports car in this current economy. imagine the next Z sharing the new sentra/versa/juke platform.