370Z May, 2009, sales lowest since launch......

semtex · 06-08-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by R1jamn

"Martyrdom"

Do you take pride in humiliating, discrediting and insulting other forum members personal opinions?

Scratch that last question. It's obvious you take great satisfaction in it.

Nothing was deemed in our responses to this thread that would imply that you should not enjoy your new Z. Let me be opened minded and congratulate you on your worthwhile purchase on an otherwise fine vehicle.

I will respect you as a forum member. But respect begets respect.

Rather Nissan has left many of us with a significant level of pessimism.

The "Hot Oil" concern is a mountainess quandary.
It is difficult to give Nissan a large field of lattitude on this subject.

For those of you that voice your concern, I will applaud you.
For you should be proud to be a REAL ENTHUSIAST AND NOT JUST SHEEPLE.

Since when did it become cool to flame people for doing some research prior to buying? You know what would happen if someone bought a Z, then came onto this forum and expressed dismay at the oil temps? Some of you same people would probably flame him/her for not doing doing research prior to buying, and say that it's his/her own fault.

Case in point. Take this thread for instance: Did I just get ripped off? What should I do?! Guy up in Canada makes a post wondering if he got screwed. And look at one of the replies he got:

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the dealership lied and your mad at nissan? that doesnt make sense. if anything, its no fault but your own for lack of research. everything you need is on the net....

Now, had he posted some gripe prior to purchasing, you guys would label him a naysayer and accuse him of making up excuses to not buy. You'd tell him that if he can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, and then accuse him of just being jealous, etc. Talk about a no win situation.

SiXK · 06-08-2009, 10:21 AM

I guess I will add a little something for the people who haven't bought a Z and are weighing this issue. The last thing I want to do is discourage someone who wants a 370Z from buying one. much less 25 people. lol.

I have had my black 370Z for 5 months. I have 6000+ miles on the car. I live in Orlando FL. Its hot here, most days now we are in the 90s - 95, 96 etc. I drive 60 miles a day. approx 10 miles of that is in bumper to bumper 5 mph traffic. when the traffic is moving I occasionally (not often) forget and have the car in 5th or even 4th gear on the highway. As I approach my home I hit 5-7 miles of open road and I drive it hard. I drive it hard whenever I get the chance.

My car has never reached 260 oil temp. not even close to be honest with you.

IMO unless you are going to track the car, its a non-issue. I have yet to have this issue affect me and I am the farthest thing from a conservative driver. I also am not going to track my daily driver so its a total non-issue for me. When they offer it, and they will I bet, I will probably buy the NISMO cooler just for peace of mind, but IMO its not needed for most daily driven cars. I can't imagine many places hotter than Orlando FL, probably Arizona.

I love my 370Z. Its been fun since day 1. I don't regret getting it at all even if they never offer an oil cooler. Track guys may feel different.

xiven · 06-08-2009, 10:36 AM

Don't worry I'm still going to buy one. I'll put an oil cooler on there if i have to. Its not like there isn't a solution to the problem anyways.

FricFrac · 06-08-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LSUTurboTiger

I guess I will add a little something for the people who haven't bought a Z and are weighing this issue. The last thing I want to do is discourage someone who wants a 370Z from buying one. much less 25 people. lol.

I have had my black 370Z for 5 months. I have 6000+ miles on the car. I live in Orlando FL. Its hot here, most days now we are in the 90s - 95, 96 etc. I drive 60 miles a day. approx 10 miles of that is in bumper to bumper 5 mph traffic. when the traffic is moving I occasionally (not often) forget and have the car in 5th or even 4th gear on the highway. As I approach my home I hit 5-7 miles of open road and I drive it hard. I drive it hard whenever I get the chance.

My car has never reached 260 oil temp. not even close to be honest with you.

IMO unless you are going to track the car, its a non-issue. I have yet to have this issue affect me and I am the farthest thing from a conservative driver. I also am not going to track my daily driver so its a total non-issue for me. When they offer it, and they will I bet, I will probably buy the NISMO cooler just for peace of mind, but IMO its not needed for most daily driven cars. I can't imagine many places hotter than Orlando FL, probably Arizona.

I love my 370Z. Its been fun since day 1. I don't regret getting it at all even if they never offer an oil cooler. Track guys may feel different.

Agreed. While I'm hoping Nissan will address the issue it would have absolutely no bearing as to whether I bought the car or not. In the grand scheme of things this is a very minor issue. The cost/performaance/looks of the vehicle IMHO are an incredible value not to mention the long history of the line itself. I think the car is along the same stature as the 240Z and the 300ZXTT. I'm also enjoying the rarity of the vehicle although it would be nice to have a few more local enthusiest

bluzman · 06-08-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LSUTurboTiger

I guess I will add a little something for the people who haven't bought a Z and are weighing this issue. The last thing I want to do is discourage someone who wants a 370Z from buying one. much less 25 people. lol.

I have had my black 370Z for 5 months. I have 6000+ miles on the car. I live in Orlando FL. Its hot here, most days now we are in the 90s - 95, 96 etc. I drive 60 miles a day. approx 10 miles of that is in bumper to bumper 5 mph traffic. when the traffic is moving I occasionally (not often) forget and have the car in 5th or even 4th gear on the highway. As I approach my home I hit 5-7 miles of open road and I drive it hard. I drive it hard whenever I get the chance.

My car has never reached 260 oil temp. not even close to be honest with you.

IMO unless you are going to track the car, its a non-issue. I have yet to have this issue affect me and I am the farthest thing from a conservative driver. I also am not going to track my daily driver so its a total non-issue for me. When they offer it, and they will I bet, I will probably buy the NISMO cooler just for peace of mind, but IMO its not needed for most daily driven cars. I can't imagine many places hotter than Orlando FL, probably Arizona.

I love my 370Z. Its been fun since day 1. I don't regret getting it at all even if they never offer an oil cooler. Track guys may feel different.

And BTW, since there seems to be some need to have multiple threads on this topic, I'll repost here what I said elsewhere on June 1.

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Originally Posted by bluzman

Here's more anecdotal data. Had to go to a place near Phoenix last Friday, about 525 miles each way. From northern Santa Barbara county, that means most of the trip is a boring run through the desert on the I-10. The temperature was over 100 by the time I hit Palm Springs and stayed between 100 and 105 the rest of the way (about 250 miles). There are several long uphill pulls in that stretch (Indio to the Chiriaco Summit and from the Colorado River nearly all the way to Quartzite are 2 examples) so I figured I'd find out whether my Z has issues. In the heat, I mostly ran between 75 and 85 MPH (except for a few short bursts at higher speed while dusting off folks who thought they wanted to play but who found out they weren't in the same league with a 370Z). BTW, the A/C was on the whole time.

Bottom line is that the oil temperature never got above 238 and then only on long pulls. On average I'd guesstimate that the oil temperature ran around 225. Like I said, this is just my experience with my car and my driving. I make no claims about broader implications. What I will say is that I personally am no longer concerned about oil temperature problems. YMMV.

dad · 06-08-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

so you are letting a 500$ fix hold you back from getting a 30k+ car... I would not care...

You shouldn't have to buy an extra product, for an item you've purchased, just to get the reassurance, that it will function properly!

Nissan should have installed/included the oil cooler!

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Originally Posted by bluzman

BTW, the A/C was on the whole time.

Your A/C fan helps keep the temperature down!

Robert_Nash · 06-08-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dad

...Your A/C fan helps keep the temperature down!

Assuming that's true is there something wrong with that?

Modshack · 06-08-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Assuming that's true is there something wrong with that?

The car's coolant system does not run excessively hot. Usually 185-186 under most conditions. Surprisingly cool actually.. Hot oil will also raise the water temps a bit but Generally 195 is the hottest I've seen while moving and it was echoed by an oil temp of 210. Stop and go may bump that to 200 but rarely hotter. There does not seem to be that much thermal transfer between the oil and water system. The cooling system is pretty robust from what I've seen and regulates itself well. The thermostatically triggered fan (if you leave the car sit idling with the AC off) will come on at 212 degrees and turn off at 202 FWIW...

dad · 06-08-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Assuming that's true is there something wrong with that?

No

vater · 06-08-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Since when did it become cool to flame people for doing some research prior to buying? You know what would happen if someone bought a Z, then came onto this forum and expressed dismay at the oil temps? Some of you same people would probably flame him/her for not doing doing research prior to buying, and say that it's his/her own fault.

Case in point. Take this thread for instance: Did I just get ripped off? What should I do?! Guy up in Canada makes a post wondering if he got screwed. And look at one of the replies he got:

Now, had he posted some gripe prior to purchasing, you guys would label him a naysayer and accuse him of making up excuses to not buy. You'd tell him that if he can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, and then accuse him of just being jealous, etc. Talk about a no win situation.

these posts win the thread.

matt2112 · 06-08-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

Anyone have a list of # of Z's sold in Canada? or a link?

no response on this so far... i'd love to see these numbers too!

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex

Since when did it become cool to flame people for doing some research prior to buying? You know what would happen if someone bought a Z, then came onto this forum and expressed dismay at the oil temps? Some of you same people would probably flame him/her for not doing doing research prior to buying, and say that it's his/her own fault.

Case in point. Take this thread for instance: Did I just get ripped off? What should I do?! Guy up in Canada makes a post wondering if he got screwed. And look at one of the replies he got:

Now, had he posted some gripe prior to purchasing, you guys would label him a naysayer and accuse him of making up excuses to not buy. You'd tell him that if he can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, and then accuse him of just being jealous, etc. Talk about a no win situation.

semtex, your posts are consistently among the best on this forum. kudos and +rep for repeated education, logic, and entertainment!!

semtex · 06-09-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by matt2112

semtex, your posts are consistently among the best on this forum. kudos and +rep for repeated education, logic, and entertainment!!

Thanks, but I can't take credit. It's the Vicodin speaking. (just kidding)

06-08-2009, 10:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
SiXK Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 352 Drives: 09 370Z / 91 300ZXTT Rep Power: 186	I guess I will add a little something for the people who haven't bought a Z and are weighing this issue. The last thing I want to do is discourage someone who wants a 370Z from buying one. much less 25 people. lol. I have had my black 370Z for 5 months. I have 6000+ miles on the car. I live in Orlando FL. Its hot here, most days now we are in the 90s - 95, 96 etc. I drive 60 miles a day. approx 10 miles of that is in bumper to bumper 5 mph traffic. when the traffic is moving I occasionally (not often) forget and have the car in 5th or even 4th gear on the highway. As I approach my home I hit 5-7 miles of open road and I drive it hard. I drive it hard whenever I get the chance. My car has never reached 260 oil temp. not even close to be honest with you. IMO unless you are going to track the car, its a non-issue. I have yet to have this issue affect me and I am the farthest thing from a conservative driver. I also am not going to track my daily driver so its a total non-issue for me. When they offer it, and they will I bet, I will probably buy the NISMO cooler just for peace of mind, but IMO its not needed for most daily driven cars. I can't imagine many places hotter than Orlando FL, probably Arizona. I love my 370Z. Its been fun since day 1. I don't regret getting it at all even if they never offer an oil cooler. Track guys may feel different. __________________ Magnetic Black 2009 370Z / Pearl Yellow 1991 300ZXTT Last edited by SiXK; 06-08-2009 at 10:31 AM.

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06-08-2009, 10:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
xiven A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Atlanta Age: 44 Posts: 4,128 Drives: Cookie Monster Rep Power: 295	Don't worry I'm still going to buy one. I'll put an oil cooler on there if i have to. Its not like there isn't a solution to the problem anyways.