370Z May, 2009, sales lowest since launch......

tru_Asiatik · 06-08-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mspeasl

Gang,

Is this a 370 problem only or was it there on the 350 also? Oh we don't know, is that the answer? Why don't we know? I'll bet I may have the answer? The 350 didn't have an Oil Temp Gage and the 370 does. If that is the answer then I have a solution for the over heating problem on the 370? PUT SOME MASKING TAPE OVER THE GAGE SO YOU DON'T SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Problem solved............

BTW you naysayers are all alike.......... My dear old departed Grandmother used to say "If you can't say something nice about someone (in this case the 370) don't say anything at all". Also if you can't afford it or can't get a loan for it why don't you take your jealousy and just leave this forum to those of us who do enjoy it.

Hang on a second so I can get my flame suit on. Okay, got it on so flame away.

thats what i heard as well...not a lot of 350 owners have oil temp gauges
so so far i have not read anyone testing the 350 motors for oil temps
i bet its probably normal for the vq motor to have high oil temp

me personally im not really thinking about it that much
i dont track my car but i do drive it hard and have taken it to several canyon runs i think highest ive seen is 240/250 but it cooled down preety quickly
in so cali traffic(ive sat thru 2-3 hour traffic during the afternoon heat) im at 220-235

so for thos holding off purchasing thats your choice
i am very happy with mine

semtex · 06-08-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by R1jamn

"Martyrdom"

Do you take pride in humiliating, discrediting and insulting other forum members personal opinions?

Scratch that last question. It's obvious you take great satisfaction in it.

Nothing was deemed in our responses to this thread that would imply that you should not enjoy your new Z. Let me be opened minded and congratulate you on your worthwhile purchase on an otherwise fine vehicle.

I will respect you as a forum member. But respect begets respect.

Rather Nissan has left many of us with a significant level of pessimism.

The "Hot Oil" concern is a mountainess quandary.
It is difficult to give Nissan a large field of lattitude on this subject.

For those of you that voice your concern, I will applaud you.
For you should be proud to be a REAL ENTHUSIAST AND NOT JUST SHEEPLE.

Since when did it become cool to flame people for doing some research prior to buying? You know what would happen if someone bought a Z, then came onto this forum and expressed dismay at the oil temps? Some of you same people would probably flame him/her for not doing doing research prior to buying, and say that it's his/her own fault.

Case in point. Take this thread for instance: Did I just get ripped off? What should I do?! Guy up in Canada makes a post wondering if he got screwed. And look at one of the replies he got:

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the dealership lied and your mad at nissan? that doesnt make sense. if anything, its no fault but your own for lack of research. everything you need is on the net....

Now, had he posted some gripe prior to purchasing, you guys would label him a naysayer and accuse him of making up excuses to not buy. You'd tell him that if he can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, and then accuse him of just being jealous, etc. Talk about a no win situation.

Robert_Nash · 06-08-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cave vulture

Does the oil temp run about the same with automatics as sticks?

For all - there is a sticky thread at the top of this forum section dedicated to the "oil overheating issue" with over 41 pages of posts - so please, let's not turn this thread into yet another "oil temperature" thread.

As for the "low sales numbers" I think some people are vastly over simplifying what makes sales numbers what they are; especially now as the new vehicle market for the world as well as the U.S. has been in truly uncharted waters for nearly a year and I would caution against making any assumptions about sales numbers right now no matter where they come from or what vehicles are involved.

Further, enthusiasts (of any make/model) like you and me also tend to grossly overestimate the amount of influence they carry; tending to think that if they are concerned about an issue the entire population of buyers/potential buyers must feel the same way or be equally concerned; this is simply rarely the case.

With that said, please understand that it's not my intent to discount legitimate feelings/concerns about the engine oil temperature on the 370Z but I doubt that more than one in one-thousand potential 370 buyers have either heard of this forum or of the "oil temp issue".

SiXK · 06-08-2009, 10:21 AM

I guess I will add a little something for the people who haven't bought a Z and are weighing this issue. The last thing I want to do is discourage someone who wants a 370Z from buying one. much less 25 people. lol.

I have had my black 370Z for 5 months. I have 6000+ miles on the car. I live in Orlando FL. Its hot here, most days now we are in the 90s - 95, 96 etc. I drive 60 miles a day. approx 10 miles of that is in bumper to bumper 5 mph traffic. when the traffic is moving I occasionally (not often) forget and have the car in 5th or even 4th gear on the highway. As I approach my home I hit 5-7 miles of open road and I drive it hard. I drive it hard whenever I get the chance.

My car has never reached 260 oil temp. not even close to be honest with you.

IMO unless you are going to track the car, its a non-issue. I have yet to have this issue affect me and I am the farthest thing from a conservative driver. I also am not going to track my daily driver so its a total non-issue for me. When they offer it, and they will I bet, I will probably buy the NISMO cooler just for peace of mind, but IMO its not needed for most daily driven cars. I can't imagine many places hotter than Orlando FL, probably Arizona.

I love my 370Z. Its been fun since day 1. I don't regret getting it at all even if they never offer an oil cooler. Track guys may feel different.

xiven · 06-08-2009, 10:36 AM

Don't worry I'm still going to buy one. I'll put an oil cooler on there if i have to. Its not like there isn't a solution to the problem anyways.

Forumite · 06-08-2009, 10:54 AM

Not buying a car because of somthing so simple as hot oil does nothing but cause you to miss out on somthing that will most likely be better than w/e you choose.

Especially when the warranty will take over if any major problems come from it.

FricFrac · 06-08-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LSUTurboTiger

I guess I will add a little something for the people who haven't bought a Z and are weighing this issue. The last thing I want to do is discourage someone who wants a 370Z from buying one. much less 25 people. lol.

I have had my black 370Z for 5 months. I have 6000+ miles on the car. I live in Orlando FL. Its hot here, most days now we are in the 90s - 95, 96 etc. I drive 60 miles a day. approx 10 miles of that is in bumper to bumper 5 mph traffic. when the traffic is moving I occasionally (not often) forget and have the car in 5th or even 4th gear on the highway. As I approach my home I hit 5-7 miles of open road and I drive it hard. I drive it hard whenever I get the chance.

My car has never reached 260 oil temp. not even close to be honest with you.

IMO unless you are going to track the car, its a non-issue. I have yet to have this issue affect me and I am the farthest thing from a conservative driver. I also am not going to track my daily driver so its a total non-issue for me. When they offer it, and they will I bet, I will probably buy the NISMO cooler just for peace of mind, but IMO its not needed for most daily driven cars. I can't imagine many places hotter than Orlando FL, probably Arizona.

I love my 370Z. Its been fun since day 1. I don't regret getting it at all even if they never offer an oil cooler. Track guys may feel different.

Agreed. While I'm hoping Nissan will address the issue it would have absolutely no bearing as to whether I bought the car or not. In the grand scheme of things this is a very minor issue. The cost/performaance/looks of the vehicle IMHO are an incredible value not to mention the long history of the line itself. I think the car is along the same stature as the 240Z and the 300ZXTT. I'm also enjoying the rarity of the vehicle although it would be nice to have a few more local enthusiest

shabarivas · 06-08-2009, 12:13 PM

so you are letting a 500$ fix hold you back from getting a 30k+ car... I would not care...

bluzman · 06-08-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LSUTurboTiger

I guess I will add a little something for the people who haven't bought a Z and are weighing this issue. The last thing I want to do is discourage someone who wants a 370Z from buying one. much less 25 people. lol.

I have had my black 370Z for 5 months. I have 6000+ miles on the car. I live in Orlando FL. Its hot here, most days now we are in the 90s - 95, 96 etc. I drive 60 miles a day. approx 10 miles of that is in bumper to bumper 5 mph traffic. when the traffic is moving I occasionally (not often) forget and have the car in 5th or even 4th gear on the highway. As I approach my home I hit 5-7 miles of open road and I drive it hard. I drive it hard whenever I get the chance.

My car has never reached 260 oil temp. not even close to be honest with you.

IMO unless you are going to track the car, its a non-issue. I have yet to have this issue affect me and I am the farthest thing from a conservative driver. I also am not going to track my daily driver so its a total non-issue for me. When they offer it, and they will I bet, I will probably buy the NISMO cooler just for peace of mind, but IMO its not needed for most daily driven cars. I can't imagine many places hotter than Orlando FL, probably Arizona.

I love my 370Z. Its been fun since day 1. I don't regret getting it at all even if they never offer an oil cooler. Track guys may feel different.

And BTW, since there seems to be some need to have multiple threads on this topic, I'll repost here what I said elsewhere on June 1.

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Originally Posted by bluzman

Here's more anecdotal data. Had to go to a place near Phoenix last Friday, about 525 miles each way. From northern Santa Barbara county, that means most of the trip is a boring run through the desert on the I-10. The temperature was over 100 by the time I hit Palm Springs and stayed between 100 and 105 the rest of the way (about 250 miles). There are several long uphill pulls in that stretch (Indio to the Chiriaco Summit and from the Colorado River nearly all the way to Quartzite are 2 examples) so I figured I'd find out whether my Z has issues. In the heat, I mostly ran between 75 and 85 MPH (except for a few short bursts at higher speed while dusting off folks who thought they wanted to play but who found out they weren't in the same league with a 370Z). BTW, the A/C was on the whole time.

Bottom line is that the oil temperature never got above 238 and then only on long pulls. On average I'd guesstimate that the oil temperature ran around 225. Like I said, this is just my experience with my car and my driving. I make no claims about broader implications. What I will say is that I personally am no longer concerned about oil temperature problems. YMMV.

dad · 06-08-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

so you are letting a 500$ fix hold you back from getting a 30k+ car... I would not care...

You shouldn't have to buy an extra product, for an item you've purchased, just to get the reassurance, that it will function properly!

Nissan should have installed/included the oil cooler!

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Originally Posted by bluzman

BTW, the A/C was on the whole time.

Your A/C fan helps keep the temperature down!

Robert_Nash · 06-08-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dad

...Your A/C fan helps keep the temperature down!

Assuming that's true is there something wrong with that?

Modshack · 06-08-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Assuming that's true is there something wrong with that?

The car's coolant system does not run excessively hot. Usually 185-186 under most conditions. Surprisingly cool actually.. Hot oil will also raise the water temps a bit but Generally 195 is the hottest I've seen while moving and it was echoed by an oil temp of 210. Stop and go may bump that to 200 but rarely hotter. There does not seem to be that much thermal transfer between the oil and water system. The cooling system is pretty robust from what I've seen and regulates itself well. The thermostatically triggered fan (if you leave the car sit idling with the AC off) will come on at 212 degrees and turn off at 202 FWIW...

dad · 06-08-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Assuming that's true is there something wrong with that?

No

nogoodname · 06-08-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

so you are letting a 500$ fix hold you back from getting a 30k+ car... I would not care...

it's more like this

"so you are letting a 500$ fix and voiding the warranty hold you back from getting a 30k+ car... I would not care..."

vater · 06-08-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Since when did it become cool to flame people for doing some research prior to buying? You know what would happen if someone bought a Z, then came onto this forum and expressed dismay at the oil temps? Some of you same people would probably flame him/her for not doing doing research prior to buying, and say that it's his/her own fault.

Case in point. Take this thread for instance: Did I just get ripped off? What should I do?! Guy up in Canada makes a post wondering if he got screwed. And look at one of the replies he got:

Now, had he posted some gripe prior to purchasing, you guys would label him a naysayer and accuse him of making up excuses to not buy. You'd tell him that if he can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, and then accuse him of just being jealous, etc. Talk about a no win situation.

these posts win the thread.

06-08-2009, 10:21 AM	#49 (permalink)
SiXK Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 352 Drives: 09 370Z / 91 300ZXTT Rep Power: 185	I guess I will add a little something for the people who haven't bought a Z and are weighing this issue. The last thing I want to do is discourage someone who wants a 370Z from buying one. much less 25 people. lol. I have had my black 370Z for 5 months. I have 6000+ miles on the car. I live in Orlando FL. Its hot here, most days now we are in the 90s - 95, 96 etc. I drive 60 miles a day. approx 10 miles of that is in bumper to bumper 5 mph traffic. when the traffic is moving I occasionally (not often) forget and have the car in 5th or even 4th gear on the highway. As I approach my home I hit 5-7 miles of open road and I drive it hard. I drive it hard whenever I get the chance. My car has never reached 260 oil temp. not even close to be honest with you. IMO unless you are going to track the car, its a non-issue. I have yet to have this issue affect me and I am the farthest thing from a conservative driver. I also am not going to track my daily driver so its a total non-issue for me. When they offer it, and they will I bet, I will probably buy the NISMO cooler just for peace of mind, but IMO its not needed for most daily driven cars. I can't imagine many places hotter than Orlando FL, probably Arizona. I love my 370Z. Its been fun since day 1. I don't regret getting it at all even if they never offer an oil cooler. Track guys may feel different. __________________ Magnetic Black 2009 370Z / Pearl Yellow 1991 300ZXTT Last edited by SiXK; 06-08-2009 at 10:31 AM.

06-08-2009, 10:54 AM	#51 (permalink)
Forumite Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 142 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 16	Not buying a car because of somthing so simple as hot oil does nothing but cause you to miss out on somthing that will most likely be better than w/e you choose. Especially when the warranty will take over if any major problems come from it. Last edited by Forumite; 06-08-2009 at 10:57 AM.

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