She's Dead, Jim

kenchan · 01-22-2012, 12:32 PM

mr.onzedge- while you were on your painful biztrip to hawaii

was your car hooked up to a battery manager or your kids drive your Z around while you were out?

i ask because there might be some link (not verified) of cars with lower battery charge having this issue more than others.

especially for those in very hot or very cold climates cca can vary greatly...and 3yrs is about when batteries start to show wear if not on battery manager.

waaaasabi · 01-22-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce

I'm on board with this... how can we help?

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Who among us is going to take the lead?

I'm going to gather up the appropriate data and then write something up on Monday and shoot it out to some of the car sites I frequent - Edmunds' Insideline, Jalopnik, and Autoblog - any other suggestions?

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Originally Posted by kenchan

mr.onzedge- while you were on your painful biztrip to hawaii

was your car hooked up to a battery manager or your kids drive your Z around while you were out?

i ask because there might be some link (not verified) of cars with lower battery charge having this issue more than others.

especially for those in very hot or very cold climates cca can vary greatly...and 3yrs is about when batteries start to show wear if not on battery manager.

Is it possible, then, to mitigate or overcome the issue by getting a new battery?? Could be an easier fix than the $500, out-of-stock part.

EDIT: Perhaps nevermind - just saw this post from the other thread...

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Originally Posted by takjak2

The GTR recall for the same part blames it on "excessive oil within the ESCL" and the failure symptom is electo-mechanical in nature. The cause of failure is likely to be a combination of factors, one of which may be the cold weather and I suspect tension on the lock to be another. My 09 is up to 34,000 miles with a revision B and I have not yet encountered it.

onzedge · 01-22-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

mr.onzedge- while you were on your painful biztrip to hawaii

was your car hooked up to a battery manager or your kids drive your Z around while you were out?

i ask because there might be some link (not verified) of cars with lower battery charge having this issue more than others.

especially for those in very hot or very cold climates cca can vary greatly...and 3yrs is about when batteries start to show wear if not on battery manager.

My car was not on a battery charger and I was only gone for 5 days total. I do not think any of my guys messed with the Z -- they know better. Besides, we changed the locks and codes.

kenchan · 01-22-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

My car was not on a battery charger and I was only gone for 5 days total. I do not think any of my guys messed with the Z -- they know better. Besides, we changed the locks and codes.

hahaha!!

yah, prior to the 5 days was the car getting nice distance drives? seems 20-25miles does not charge the battery to full per the length it takes my battery manager to float vs after a nice weekend drive which only takes a few min for it to float.

im just wondering.

these batteries have memory and once it looses a full charge max charge keeps falling unless you float it again using the battery manager...or just dies eventually.

sabi- we're cool.

i want to see if we can find a pattern prior to failure.

onzedge · 01-22-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

hahaha!!

yah, prior to the 5 days was the car getting nice distance drives? seems 20-25miles does not charge the battery to full per the length it takes my battery manager to float vs after a nice weekend drive which only takes a few min for it to float.

im just wondering.

these batteries have memory and once it looses a full charge max charge keeps falling unless you float it again using the battery manager...or just dies eventually.

sabi- we're cool.

i want to see if we can find a pattern prior to failure.

Mr. Kenchan, My normal drive is about 1/2 hour twice per day. It is a combination of street and freeway.

kenchan · 01-22-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Mr. Kenchan, My normal drive is about 1/2 hour twice per day. It is a combination of street and freeway.

Mr.onzedge- thanks for the info!

kenchan · 01-22-2012, 01:17 PM

Waaaaaaaasabi- we're just trying to understand the situation. Over oilling is likely on the earlier recall but I don't think nissan's supplier completely understands the problems.

I noted this in the diy already.

onzedge · 01-22-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

Waaaaaaaasabi- we're just trying to understand the situation. Over oilling is likely on the earlier recall but I don't think nissan's supplier completely understands the problems.

I noted this in the diy already.

Scotty in Star Trek III stated that "The more you overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain". It could very well be that it is simply a bad design with too many moving parts/interfaces. Why else would Nissan simply eliminate the lock entirely in the 2012 models?

waaaasabi · 01-22-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

Waaaaaaaasabi- we're just trying to understand the situation. Over oilling is likely on the earlier recall but I don't think nissan's supplier completely understands the problems.

I noted this in the diy already.

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Scotty in Star Trek III stated that "The more you overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain". It could very well be that it is simply a bad design with too many moving parts/interfaces. Why else would Nissan simply eliminate the lock entirely in the 2012 models?

Ken, I wasn't necessarily trying to insinuate that the issue was purely isolated to an electrical or oil symptom, and I know that you were not postulating that either - sorry if I came across as such. I have your DIY open in another tab (amongst a hundred other ones), but haven't been able to thoroughly peruse it. I've only scrolled through to see the pics and get a general idea of how to replace the defective unit, but I'll read through it more carefully tonight. Also, you can just call me 'sabi'

Onzedge, Nissan's decision to completely eliminate the part in the 2012 model (is that verified?) is more insult to the injury - it means that they're likely aware of the issue...

onzedge · 01-22-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by waaaasabi

Ken, I wasn't necessarily trying to insinuate that the issue was purely isolated to an electrical or oil symptom, and I know that you were not postulating that either - sorry if I came across as such. I have your DIY open in another tab (amongst a hundred other ones), but haven't been able to thoroughly peruse it. I've only scrolled through to see the pics and get a general idea of how to replace the defective unit, but I'll read through it more carefully tonight. Also, you can just call me 'sabi'

Onzedge, Nissan's decision to completely eliminate the part in the 2012 model (is that verified?) is more insult to the injury - it means that they're likely aware of the issue...

Mr. Sabi, It is not verified and I intend to ask around a bit this week. The service manager who told me this is a very straight shooter with many years experience and I have know him for a long time. So far, I am taking him at his word.

NCSUPACK09 · 01-22-2012, 06:39 PM

Wow, seems like a lot of people are experiencing problems with the wheel lock assembly. Mine actually went two weeks ago and I have been told that the part is on back order until 2 Feb. They have me driving an Altima Hybrid right now

rli2bcz · 01-22-2012, 01:33 PM

Same thing happen to me a few weeks ago...

Mike · 01-22-2012, 03:57 PM

everyone who has had the failure should report it to the NHTSA, this is one way to get a recall started.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

GaleForce · 01-22-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

everyone who has had the failure should report it to the NHTSA, this is one way to get a recall started.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

Good info. Maybe Mr.Kenchan can add the link to the original Sticky'd thread?

kenchan · 01-22-2012, 07:45 PM

mike already posted there.

01-22-2012, 06:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
NCSUPACK09 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Somewhere Posts: 407 Drives: '10 370Z MB 6MT SP Rep Power: 17	Wow, seems like a lot of people are experiencing problems with the wheel lock assembly. Mine actually went two weeks ago and I have been told that the part is on back order until 2 Feb. They have me driving an Altima Hybrid right now __________________ 2010 Base 370z Magnetic Black 6MT SP Mods: Bone Stock

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Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2187	everyone who has had the failure should report it to the NHTSA, this is one way to get a recall started. https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

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01-22-2012, 12:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141522	mr.onzedge- while you were on your painful biztrip to hawaii was your car hooked up to a battery manager or your kids drive your Z around while you were out? i ask because there might be some link (not verified) of cars with lower battery charge having this issue more than others. especially for those in very hot or very cold climates cca can vary greatly...and 3yrs is about when batteries start to show wear if not on battery manager.

01-22-2012, 01:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141522	Waaaaaaaasabi- we're just trying to understand the situation. Over oilling is likely on the earlier recall but I don't think nissan's supplier completely understands the problems. I noted this in the diy already.

01-22-2012, 01:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
rli2bcz Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 237 Drives: Nissan 370z Rep Power: 17	Same thing happen to me a few weeks ago...

01-22-2012, 07:45 PM	#15 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141522	mike already posted there.