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I'm new to manuals but coming along pretty well, but is there a negative to keeping it in 2nd at a stoplight, a friend of mine says as long as

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Old 03-09-2010, 05:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm new to manuals but coming along pretty well, but is there a negative to keeping it in 2nd at a stoplight, a friend of mine says as long as there's enough power it doesn't hurt it any way. True statement?
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its not really bad just a little bit harder to start than in first.
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I'm not sure I'm reading this correctly. You can come to a stop in any gear, so long as the clutch is depressed. I hardly ever come to a stop in 1st gear, unless I simply having shifted out of it (neighborhood stop signs, etc.).

If you mean starting in 2nd from a completely stop, it is not recommended.
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theres no way you will be able to start it from second without burning your clutch more than you would by starting in first, even if it is fractional amount, it'll add up in the end
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i thought people do this when driving in snow or very slippery surfaces? AK does this in his snow video at 0:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jzn8_9vJMc
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i thought people do this when driving in snow or very slippery surfaces? AK does this in his snow video at 0:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jzn8_9vJMc
it helps for that kind of situation because since the gearing is so much higher for your first gear, if you start from first in snow, ice, or even rain for high-HP cars, you're just going to spin the wheels. but for normal dry conditions, theres no reason to start in 2nd
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so you're not wearing your clutch starting in 2nd in the snow... but if you do it dry you are? what makes this so?
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so you're not wearing your clutch starting in 2nd in the snow... but if you do it dry you are? what makes this so?
The snow decreases traction, so most likely you won't bog down when starting in 2nd, meaning you'll have to slip the clutch less than if you were starting in 2nd in the dry.
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i see. thanks. Well i wont have to worry about that till next winter
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Starting in 2nd is pretty easy in these cars, just need to give it 1500-2k rpm instead of 1k-1500 (give or take)
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You can do it, but there's no reason to. It's going to be harder on the clutch than in first.

BTW -- this reminds me of Jeremy Clarkson going from 0-170ish in a Z06... in 6th gear only.
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I'm new to manuals but coming along pretty well, but is there a negative to keeping it in 2nd at a stoplight, a friend of mine says as long as there's enough power it doesn't hurt it any way. True statement?
Depends if you like your clutch or not.
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And, driving in snow, starting in 1st is still the better choice. Feather the clutch a bit and don't use the gas.

That said, the car has VDC, use it, and it should get some traction...except it might break both loose and then you're spinning.

Me, I just kick it to 4WD and hit hte gas and I'm off, but then again, I don't drive my Z in the winter.

$40,000 car in a ditch, or side-skipping into a curb, or spinning around the wrong way on an interstate ramp...sure sounds good, doesn't it?

$800 POS in a ditch, hitting a curb, or spinning around the wrong way on an interstate ramp - sounds a lot better, doesn't it?


It's like those people around here that drive a corvette in winter...I don't get it.
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Starting in 2nd is pretty easy in these cars, just need to give it 1500-2k rpm instead of 1k-1500 (give or take)
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It's like those people around here that drive a corvette in winter...I don't get it.
And you probably won't. Can you imagine someone driving a '67 427 vette in the winter? Well, back in the day guess what? Remember, for a lot of us it's only a car.
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