Car and Driver Crashes a Nismo 370Z

Equinox · 12-28-2009, 10:14 AM

Motul RBF600 + XP10 + XP8 as well. Was gonna big brake is but went with a new computer, haha. PM from forged please!

RCZ · 12-28-2009, 12:16 PM

Look at what I started Shariff! I should get a discount for being your catalyst!

Maybe add a little Stage 1,2,3,etc Brake upgrade package to your 370z offerings?

vipor · 12-28-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Look at what I started Shariff! I should get a discount for being your catalyst!

Maybe add a little Stage 1,2,3,etc Brake upgrade package to your 370z offerings?

JB-370z · 12-28-2009, 12:32 PM

Its very hard for me to believe that there was no fade at all, and then all of a sudden...BAM....no brakes, hahaha... What a thing to say to get out of being at fault for a crash. Who knows maybe it is true but hard for me to belive. There should be some bit of noticable failure or fade before the brakes go out like this due to pads. Everyone can speculate but no one will ever truly know but the driver of this car.

370Zsteve · 12-28-2009, 01:47 PM

I don't recall any other mags having this issue while testing Z's. Not a big fan of C&D with the new editorial staff & writers, either.

WTF is with the way they do comparo tests now, they have subjective categories like "gotta have it" that can tip the scales from one car to another...that's why the G37 barely lost to the 3-series last time

370Zsteve · 12-28-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz

If this is the case, then I would have to agree that Nissan has to re-evaluate the pads in the Nismo and Sport package. I think they both (at least the Nismo) should be track ready - including break pads and fluid.

So why isn't this an issue with any other car they tested? Does every other manufacturer deliver track prepped cars for these tests? Or is C&D truly correct in their assessment of how dramatic the onset and severity of the brake fade occurrence with stock pads?

Good points. The Nismo has been marketed as track-ready from day one, as far as I can tell. Nissan even released a statement awhile back that indicated they expected most Nismos to either be put into collections or raced by enthusiasts.

And I too would want to know if other cars in the test were prepped in any way, or were these cars bought through normal channels (As they should be).

If it's Nissan's fault again then that makes two enormous marketing blunders with these cars since their debut a year ago...the first being the fiasco when they delivered oil cooler-equipped cars to the media.

Lug · 12-28-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Good points. The Nismo has been marketed as track-ready from day one, as far as I can tell.

Possible, but I've never seen an offical Nissan statement to this effect, just a lot of "it should be" type statements. If they do claim "track ready", I agree, huge blunder.

kannibul · 12-28-2009, 02:22 PM

PM price too...More interested in pads than fluid, so price fluid seperate

Thanks!

Sharif@Forged · 12-28-2009, 03:14 PM

PM's sent guys. You guys are funny. Ryan is adding the items to the website right now, but just call in if you'd like to order. Ryan, Decker, or Sandy can take the order.

vipor · 12-28-2009, 03:22 PM

i didn't get a PM about the pads/fluid

Sharif@Forged · 12-28-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by vipor

i didn't get a PM about the pads/fluid

Thanks for all the pm's guys.

Z370man · 12-28-2009, 06:17 PM

I just read the C&D article and after listening to you guys who have run on the track I am going to replace my pads with some higher rated track spec ones. I found this link on disassembly/re-assembly: http://http://blogs.insideline.com/r...ge-part-1.html

I too thought my Nismo had kickass brakes. I am just coming out of the brake-in period so I have not done any hard driving yet - good thing.

MightyBobo · 12-28-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Z370man

I just read the C&D article and after listening to you guys who have run on the track I am going to replace my pads with some higher rated track spec ones. I found this link on disassembly/re-assembly: http://http://blogs.insideline.com/r...ge-part-1.html

I too thought my Nismo had kickass brakes. I am just coming out of the brake-in period so I have not done any hard driving yet - good thing.

The 370Z, including the Nismo, are both great STREET cars. Yeah, rightfully so, people are annoyed it overheats so easily. But, brakes are an obvious upgrade that should be considered mandatory before any track event...street pads just cant hold up like track ones can...same goes for the fluid of course.

FWIW, this is what can happen when you try to use street pads on a track.

The pads actually lit on fire, caused the caliper piston to seize in the full-out position, and then melted around the calipers piston. The fire ended up melting and rupturing the brake line, causing him to lose all fluid. Luckily, all this didn't happen until right after he got off the track, or it would have been devastating.

nicknick · 12-28-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz

C&D claims it was a hardware failure, while Nissan just says the pad isn't designed for track use. There is no specific statement identifying the hardware component that failed ( i.e. cracked brake pad, ruptured brake line, piston assembly. etc. - so abruptly as C&D claims.) Nissan simply states the brake pads are not designed for track use - implying a position of no liability, not specificity identifying the pad as a failed component.

I think until C&D goes into more detail regarding the investigation, I have to call ******** on this as well.

370Zsteve · 12-28-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

The 370Z, including the Nismo, are both great STREET cars. Yeah, rightfully so, people are annoyed it overheats so easily. But, brakes are an obvious upgrade that should be considered mandatory before any track event...street pads just cant hold up like track ones can...same goes for the fluid of course.

FWIW, this is what can happen when you try to use street pads on a track.

The pads actually lit on fire, caused the caliper piston to seize in the full-out position, and then melted around the calipers piston. The fire ended up melting and rupturing the brake line, causing him to lose all fluid. Luckily, all this didn't happen until right after he got off the track, or it would have been devastating.

All well and good, but the 370Z was still the only car that had this problem. I'm just sayin'...every other car seems to have made it through to the end. (Just finished reading the entire article, came in the mail today)

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JB-370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 1,859 Drives: Stage 2 Twin Turbos Rep Power: 19	Its very hard for me to believe that there was no fade at all, and then all of a sudden...BAM....no brakes, hahaha... What a thing to say to get out of being at fault for a crash. Who knows maybe it is true but hard for me to belive. There should be some bit of noticable failure or fade before the brakes go out like this due to pads. Everyone can speculate but no one will ever truly know but the driver of this car. __________________ ll Baker Tuning ll GTM ll Powerhouse Amuse ll HKS ll Up-Rev ll iForged ll AP Racing ll Pioneer ll SPL ll Bride ll Top Secret ll OS Giken ll GTM Stage 2 Twin Turboed 370z (First in Texas, Thanks To Baker Tuning)

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370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 42	I don't recall any other mags having this issue while testing Z's. Not a big fan of C&D with the new editorial staff & writers, either. WTF is with the way they do comparo tests now, they have subjective categories like "gotta have it" that can tip the scales from one car to another...that's why the G37 barely lost to the 3-series last time __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

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12-28-2009, 12:16 PM	#47 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	Look at what I started Shariff! I should get a discount for being your catalyst! Maybe add a little Stage 1,2,3,etc Brake upgrade package to your 370z offerings?

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kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 266	PM price too...More interested in pads than fluid, so price fluid seperate Thanks!

12-28-2009, 06:17 PM	#57 (permalink)
Z370man Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: West Palm Beach FL Posts: 9 Drives: Nismo370Z 2009 #114 Rep Power: 15	I just read the C&D article and after listening to you guys who have run on the track I am going to replace my pads with some higher rated track spec ones. I found this link on disassembly/re-assembly: http://http://blogs.insideline.com/r...ge-part-1.html I too thought my Nismo had kickass brakes. I am just coming out of the brake-in period so I have not done any hard driving yet - good thing. Last edited by Z370man; 12-28-2009 at 06:20 PM.

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