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Old 06-29-2013, 10:09 AM   #226 (permalink)
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Oh! Oh! We've brought up Sony's security! Being a part of the infosec world, I could argue this both ways (which is why I usually don't bring it up).

I can argue that Sony getting hacked gives them a strong lesson on how to do it wrong. But, much like security in a house is improved right after a break-in, Sony's security may have improved to shore up those issues. Sometimes it takes a kick in the pants to spark some action rather than just wishful thinking.

On the flip side, though, a break-in like that and how they handled it probably indicates an endemic problem with security, monitoring, customer assurance, uptime, etc. So while they may have overcome that hurdle in the moment, they may just not have the talent or interest in investing further into security until something else happens. If the answer to "Why secure your sh!t" is "To avoid costly downtime for our customers," then your head is still in a slightly wrong place. (In other words, security incidents that don't involve downtime or otherwise are obvious to users are hushed up...)

Then again, most companies are the same way until they are either burned or have some strong internal interest in security as an advantage/need in their industry.


In the software world, Microsoft's Windows is a far more secure product for all the attacks and attention it gets. But Adobe's products (PDF junk) and even Oracle's Java are constantly attacked and patched but are no better for it, because of endemic corporate issues and lack of caring about security in the original products.
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I didn't read the entire thread, sorry if I missed it.

Will the 300k servers host, instead of relying on the user with the least latency to host (eg, COD)?

If the bit about the servers doing more heavy lifting in general makes online matches faster/smoother/bigger, then Xbox one just for that.

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Oh! Oh! We've brought up Sony's security! Being a part of the infosec world, I could argue this both ways (which is why I usually don't bring it up).

I can argue that Sony getting hacked gives them a strong lesson on how to do it wrong. But, much like security in a house is improved right after a break-in, Sony's security may have improved to shore up those issues. Sometimes it takes a kick in the pants to spark some action rather than just wishful thinking.

On the flip side, though, a break-in like that and how they handled it probably indicates an endemic problem with security, monitoring, customer assurance, uptime, etc. So while they may have overcome that hurdle in the moment, they may just not have the talent or interest in investing further into security until something else happens. If the answer to "Why secure your sh!t" is "To avoid costly downtime for our customers," then your head is still in a slightly wrong place. (In other words, security incidents that don't involve downtime or otherwise are obvious to users are hushed up...)

Then again, most companies are the same way until they are either burned or have some strong internal interest in security as an advantage/need in their industry.


In the software world, Microsoft's Windows is a far more secure product for all the attacks and attention it gets. But Adobe's products (PDF junk) and even Oracle's Java are constantly attacked and patched but are no better for it, because of endemic corporate issues and lack of caring about security in the original products.
Microsoft Windows has been more secured, but it is still not "secure" because of some of their design decisions. But some of its rep as insecure is undeserved. Most attacked because most popular, as I'm sure you know.

But I don't have faith in any game console for security
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I too am a huge fan/supporter for 4k resolution. The cloud is an amazing thing for Microsoft as well. Its combined CPU power will bring the Xbox One to near 5Tflops of performance. There is heavy speculation on this right now from critics that do not understand how Microsoft is going to use this power. So I have not mentioned much about it. It is an awesome tool and we will see in due time.

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I have looked for some info on this and have not found to many details yet. I honestly think over time the PS4 will have slightly better graphics due to the DDR5 memory and the OS using less of the memory to run. I think there are two things that are very important when thinking about the graphics though.

#1 Developers already spend lots of money making games hoping to make some profit in the long run. So why over develop a game for one platform when you can slap it on a different disc/cloud with little effort and deliver the same graphics to both systems. Now the one with more power may run it a little smoother or faster but only a benchmark tester would probably be able to notice it.

#2 You can have hardware 50x better but if 4k technology takes off, which I see no reason it won't, that 50x better hardware won't compete at a 4k level.

I know my posts seem to be defending Microsoft but it is because of all the bad info I have read then debunked on my own. I want to make sure I make a fair choice not an internet influenced/propaganda one.

That said I still dont know which one im gaming on yet! The Kinect thing I mentioned above could be a problem if I want to go that route.
The cloud computing to produce 5Teraflops is ridiculous. It makes absolutely no sense and is just a way of Microsoft covering there tracks for have a less technologically advanced system. Cloud computing at its fastest would take roughly 100 ms. A game running at 30 fps only has 33 ms to render each frame. So even if the so called cloud computing did make any sense it would cause huge amounts of lag in games. And also microsofts systems will have no possible way of renderinging 4k. Maybe at like 8 fps.
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Just pre-ordered my PS4/ Battlefield 4 edition for $499 and pre-ordered two more games.



Fvck Xbox. lol
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Honestly with everything going on I'm still leaning towards the xbox. I had a PS3 at the same time up until the network was down for a month and I got hacked. They are new to the game when it comes to this part of the field. I personally can not trust that. It's like our cars would you want the proven mechanic or the guy that sounds good? Can Sony take over as the champ yes, do they have the qualifications yes, will they have the support to back it up is the question?

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Honestly with everything going on I'm still leaning towards the xbox. I had a PS3 at the same time up until the network was down for a month and I got hacked. They are new to the game when it comes to this part of the field. I personally can not trust that. It's like our cars would you want the proven mechanic or the guy that sounds good? Can Sony take over as the champ yes, do they have the qualifications yes, will they have the support to back it up is the question?

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I personally think that Sony has proven itself more than Microsoft. Sony just got unlucky because they happened to be the ones that were targeted.
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Because they were easier to target. And then there was the time that the whole network was hacked. Then there was the time that everyone lost their game data and had everything reset that was saved.

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Honestly with everything going on I'm still leaning towards the xbox. I had a PS3 at the same time up until the network was down for a month and I got hacked. They are new to the game when it comes to this part of the field. I personally can not trust that. It's like our cars would you want the proven mechanic or the guy that sounds good? Can Sony take over as the champ yes, do they have the qualifications yes, will they have the support to back it up is the question?

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I've had my xbl account compromised before. Are you saying that doesn't happen?
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Because they were easier to target. And then there was the time that the whole network was hacked. Then there was the time that everyone lost their game data and had everything reset that was saved.

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Xbox has been targeted multiple time as well. Most likely it was just that the hacker had a preference toward the ps software. Also Psn used to be free. Now for multiplayer ps plus will be necessary which will be helpful to put money towards security and development. Microsoft just takes the money they use and puts a small amount toward security.
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No it does happen on xbox to. But they shut down my account, reimbursed me, and then some. On the PS3 they just said sorry pretty much just told me to grab the vaseline

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And before we get on the wrong foot these are my accounts of when I had one. I am considering the PS4 cause I do believe that you learn from your mistakes just at this moment I'm leaning towards the xbox. After they come out I kind of hope that Sony blows Microsoft or of the water so they can be knocked down a peg. Cause I will say this about Microsoft they are way out of range when it comes to putting the customer first.

As in prices for their services such as movie rentals and so on.

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I believe the reason why MS is expanding the servers so aggressively is not for Xbox Live. The big reason is the cloud computing. what many of you fail to realize is what do you need 300,000 of them for? Many of you are bringing up these poll times. MS isn't stupid and they realize this. Nearly the entire internet switches and routes at line speed. What does that mean? It means these routers can make a decision and route your traffic as fast as it can come in; likewise the switches. Having 300k servers allows them to strategically place them in major cities and provide adequate coverage around the world. 30ms timer to send data back and forth is plenty of time. Unfortunately, that basically guarantees games will stay at 30fps and not make the jump to 60fps. Just a little food for thought.
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