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Old 04-29-2020, 08:49 AM   #1681 (permalink)
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Trump said something about putting UV light into the human body. The MSM went nuts over it. Said that it can't be done. Well, there is a company in Colorado working on such a thing. The company posted a video on YouTube and on Twitter. Guess what. YouTube took down the video and Twitter suspended the account. There's you 1st Amendment being ripped up. They only want you to see and hear one side.
Absolutely. That company is working with Cedar Sinai (I used to work for them..woo! lol) on that research.
But going back to Trumps comments being held as medical advice...well, if you are taking medical advice from ANY President (ie,ingesting aquarium cleaner, even though Trump did not mention aquarium cleaner), then I think youve got bigger problems.
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But going back to Trumps comments being held as medical advice...well, if you are taking medical advice from ANY President (ie,ingesting aquarium cleaner, even though Trump did not mention aquarium cleaner), then I think youve got bigger problems.
He’s the leader of the free world, saying whatever he wants about whatever he wants. To have random internet commentary say “you shouldn’t be listening to the President, he’s not a doctor” is a problem. Where are HIS experts following up behind him to clarify what should be trusted as fact vs bogus vs sarcasm....

And please inform me about what the administration has done properly during this time?
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Dont get me wrong,, Im not trying to downplay the lethality of covid. It definately is deadly. But so is the common FLU, and we never had to go on lockdown with the flu even though annual deaths in the US alone sometimes reach 60k.
Im just saying that people lives are being destroyed due to inflated/exagerated numbers.
It's not the total numbers you should be looking at, it's the rate of infection, which is much higher than the flu. Add to that the higher mortality rate.
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Old 04-29-2020, 11:12 AM   #1684 (permalink)
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Personally - I don't think any Prez would be prepared to handle this. Since this virus is a 'moving target'; information is being changed by the day. To me, Trump's handlers have to keep him from talking and going off on tangents; we all see that he is trying to project leadership yet contradicts what the 'experts' are saying. The spit balling should be done within his own inner circle - not during a press conference. At this time - it's best to just let the experts talk and try to come up with a game plan about how we will open up the country.

As for opening up the country - personally I think we can't wait for a vaccine - bc projections in EU are like mid September - if we continue to just stay inside the economy will be crushed; I don't know what the answer is but I thought I saw a report that they project that 1/4 in NYC have been exposed and probably had it etc. Sweden is doing the whole 'herd mentality' and i might be wrong - but i thought our percentages were similar to theirs?

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This is concerning.....

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It's not the total numbers you should be looking at, it's the rate of infection, which is much higher than the flu. Add to that the higher mortality rate.
And, there is some immunity to "normal" influenza, plus anyone who is in a vulnerable group or wishes to do so, can get a flu immunization. There is no vaccine for Coronavirus as yet.


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Let’s get down to brass tacks: the man running the country at this time is one of the least experienced people to do it and those that he has placed in leadership positions are equally as unqualified when compared to a majority of ALL predecessors.

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Going to correct you on one thing here.

US administration cuts and a certain President’s inability to govern have left key positions in the Department of Homeland Security and ODNI either vacant or filled with a string of temporary or un-confirmed people. His political war against China has caused a bigger rift between your two nations than at any time since the end of the Cold War, resulting in a spectacular lack of cooperation and communication. No coherent transportation or immigration polices could be created in response to Covid-19 because the heads or deputy directors of CBP, ICE and TSA are past their statutory 220 day limit for Senate confirmations. So it's not just the experience or qualifications of those in charge, but not actually HAVING people in charge in some cases, that is troubling.

The same is true of almost every federal agency tasked with keeping Americans safe and working.

To top it off, the CDC chose not to re-fill the position of an embedded senior epidemiologist in China after the last doctor quit in July of 2019. That person would have been uniquely placed to get the earliest word of the growing crisis to Washington. Meanwhile, there is a division of military intelligence responsible for monitoring outbreaks around the world, but it seems that they (don’t worry, their Canadian counterparts were just as negligent) didn’t think or have the working connections to get the information out to public health officials. Or maybe they did, as your SIC Chairman seemed to be able to unload imperilled stock and warn his best supporters about the severity of the coming pandemic while his President was still saying it would all go away “like a miracle”. No wonder he is now casting aspersions on the WHO to try to throw people of the scent!

And that's just what I know of, as an outsider.
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Personally - I don't think any Prez would be prepared to handle this. Since this virus is a 'moving target'; information is being changed by the day. To me, Trump's handlers have to keep him from talking and going off on tangents; we all see that he is trying to project leadership yet contradicts what the 'experts' are saying. The spit balling should be done within his own inner circle - not during a press conference. At this time - it's best to just let the experts talk and try to come up with a game plan about how we will open up the country.

As for opening up the country - personally I think we can't wait for a vaccine - bc projections in EU are like mid September - if we continue to just stay inside the economy will be crushed; I don't know what the answer is but I thought I saw a report that they project that 1/4 in NYC have been exposed and probably had it etc. Sweden is doing the whole 'herd mentality' and i might be wrong - but i thought our percentages were similar to theirs?
Blame certainly does not rest on any one person's shoulders.
No question that every move comes under scrutiny, and that there is a huge difference between making important decisions regarding the future in a partial vacuum, and armchair quarterbacking them with the benefit of hindsight.

But sometimes a crisis is caused or worsened by the actions which precede it as well as by those taken to address it.

And it is in situations like these, that the true mettle of leaders is exposed.

Does it hurt to wish for a Churchill or FDR right about now?
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This is concerning.....
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Americans locked in their homes, banned from going to church, placated with sedatives like weed and beer.
Sounds like a win/win to me, haha. I couldn't watch any more after that line.

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And, there is some immunity to "normal" influenza, plus anyone who is in a vulnerable group or wishes to do so, can get a flu immunization. There is no vaccine for Coronavirus as yet.
Also, many don't take into account social distancing, plus the myriad of other steps taken to combat this virus. All of this prevention yet we're still seeing higher transmission and mortality rates with Covid as compared to the flu.
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Blame certainly does not rest on any one person's shoulders.
No question that every move comes under scrutiny, and that there is a huge difference between making important decisions regarding the future in a partial vacuum, and armchair quarterbacking them with the benefit of hindsight.

But sometimes a crisis is caused or worsened by the actions which precede it as well as by those taken to address it.

And it is in situations like these, that the true mettle of leaders is exposed.

Does it hurt to wish for a Churchill or FDR right about now?
I definitely agree, the 'experts' will have hindsight to then tell us and the Prez what they did right/wrong. But in the end, we are doing what we feel is best. For me, I just wish Trump would stop with all the tweets about 'Fighting for your liberation' and the spit balling within the conference.

Its like 'you have experts who you can turn to'; just do that and if it goes sideways - people will blame the experts, not the Prez for problem since it would only make sense to trust those that are smarter/experts. Like they say, you never WANT to be the SMARTEST man in the room when it comes to things that you are not aware of how it works etc.

As for wishing for a FDR or Churchill - yeah, that would be nice haha. To me the sad thing is that there is so much dissension and mistrust of the govt, the media etc - that we can't all get on the same page and try to be ONE nation instead of fragments and 'groups'. I swear its like we are cheering our own sports team against our hated rival -- not realizing that everything that is done affects us ALL (we're all on the same boat). Well 'off the soap box, sorry haha'; I just can't wait for this sh!t to be over with and things go back to 'somewhat normal' (whatever that is).
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Sounds like a win/win to me, haha. I couldn't watch any more after that line.

Did you watch the video I posted earlier? If you cant have an open mind to other ideas and just dismiss them, then there is no conversation.
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Did you watch the video I posted earlier? If you cant have an open mind to other ideas and just dismiss them, then there is no conversation.
Was that the 2 doctors from California? I didn't get a chance to unfortunately, and it's since been taken down. From what I've read, their statistics are quite skewed however.
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Was that the 2 doctors from California? I didn't get a chance to unfortunately, and it's since been taken down. From what I've read, their statistics are quite skewed however.
Yeah, censorship. They got their statistics directly from CDC. Do you wonder WHY it was taken down?
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Yeah, censorship. They got their statistics directly from CDC. Do you wonder WHY it was taken down?
Pretty succinct, I believe:

“The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) jointly and emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19.”

EDIT: Their math is f'ed up big time. I hope that they are better doctors than they are statisticians!!!
I don't think it's a surprise why the post was pulled.

BTW, if you kill all of the law enforcement in a state, you have a much better chance of not being arrested. Similarly flawed argument. Also should be taken down if it ever comes up for real.

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Yeah, censorship. They got their statistics directly from CDC. Do you wonder WHY it was taken down?
It was taken down because it's ridiculous. Laughable if it weren't for the seriousness of the topic.
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Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling, likened their extrapolations to 'estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.'
'They've used methods that are ludicrous to get results that are completely implausible,' Bergstrom said.
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In a rare statement late Monday, the American College of Emergency Physicians and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine declared they 'emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Messihi.'
'These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19,' the group continued.
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