K&N Air Filters Added to Stock Air Boxes??

Jordo!

Why would you base it all on one data point?

If you gained 10 whp in the middle and 3 at the peak, would you say the car only gained 3 whp?

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7speed

Actually you would.


But of course all of us on this forum know...... area under curve counts just as much if not more for driveability.

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gsxr750

Showing a 2 different graphs to represent HP gains, with different data points on each graph does not provide accurate data, unless you were to overlay the 2 graphs or plot the data points on 1 chart.

If a car makes 200 HP at 4000 rpm. in one chart and in another chart it makes 210 HP at 4200 rpm , you can 't say there was a 10 HP gain between to 2 charts.

Data points between the 2 charts must be identical in order to illustrate an accurate comparison.

Jordo!

Those data are from the same car in each graph -- not comparing two different cars. The overlay is before and after a given set of mods. Selected points are just showing where greatest gains were.

I'm not making a case for a mean gain of x at datapoint y, I'm showing that a humble change of a filter does indeed net gains throughout the rev range, as shown on two vehicles for which I have data on hand. There's too many transient variables that may affect the magnitude of change at a specific location in the rev range. That we see gains throughout the rev range -- albeit at different points -- on two units is generally good evidence that high flow filters make a positive improvement. Comparing the same car at the same point before and after still provides useful information.

That car A gained 3 whp at 3500 RPM whereas car B gained 5 is not really the issue -- we have no specific hypotheses about that, and again there are too many transient modifiers that will influence things.

Anyway, one shows gains from filters alone the other shows gains from a combo of filters and tubes. The filters alone netted about a 2% gain at 5252 RPM (or as close to it as I could align the cursor) and with both the gain is about 4% when hp and torque are equal.

Here they are again with a single selected RPM point -- 5252 RPM (or as close to it as I could align the cursor)-- for comparison... same day too.

2011 Z



2009 Z



Interpret these data as you will...

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