My motor grenaded.

Infidel · 05-20-2014, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by black_sedan

If you knew the car wasnt running right you should have never taken it home. I'm not taking sides here but its hard to say what happened to the car after it left the shop.

Just curious what happened to the motor. When you say it let go, did it spin a bearing? Did it puke a rod through the block? Rod knock?

Maybe so, but you can't blame the customer. Besides, I DID tell Bobby that the car felt weak when we went for the test drive before I took it home.

Don't know what completely happened because it hasn't been pulled apart. I just know that the oil pan had huge chunks on metal on the bottom.

Nixlimited · 05-20-2014, 08:00 PM

Sorry to hear. I hope you and Bobby can work something out to get your car back running with a built motor.

Infidel · 05-20-2014, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited

Sorry to hear. I hope you and Bobby can work something out to get your car back running with a built motor.

Not likely, especially after this thread. Not like I didn't know this when I posted it. Besides, all I was gonna get this morning was a 'good deal', probably not missing much. I wouldn't trust him around my car now, anyway. I resided to the fact that I'm pretty much f*cked.

Joepro · 05-20-2014, 08:33 PM

Were you running any kind of gauges for monitoring? I am curious to see what AFR you were running I am wondering if they dumped a crap load of timing in it to try and compensate for the missing PSI. I would also like to know the part when,I am assuming a rod bearing? There IS a chance that something let go and it was not anyone's fault, I am a service advisor, I see stuff break all the time, but, Nissan did do a good job with our motors with the exception to the 09-10 debacle. I was nervous my whole tune sesssion, it was on the dyno for 28 runs(not all wot, a lot of drivability tuning) and that was some damn good torture testing for these motors, but stuff does happen.

Here is what I would do, I would ask bobby to put the car back to stock or the closest you can, get the ecu flashed back, and tow that shiz to Nissan and get a new motor. Then I would trade the car, sell the gtm kit, and go buy that sexy new Nismo.

PS keep your head up, you'll good through it!

Infidel · 05-20-2014, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro

Were you running any kind of gauges for monitoring? I am curious to see what AFR you were running I am wondering if they dumped a crap load of timing in it to try and compensate for the missing PSI. I would also like to know the part when,I am assuming a rod bearing? There IS a chance that something let go and it was not anyone's fault, I am a service advisor, I see stuff break all the time, but, Nissan did do a good job with our motors with the exception to the 09-10 debacle. I was nervous my whole tune sesssion, it was on the dyno for 28 runs(not all wot, a lot of drivability tuning) and that was some damn good torture testing for these motors, but stuff does happen.

Here is what I would do, I would ask bobby to put the car back to stock or the closest you can, get the ecu flashed back, and tow that shiz to Nissan and get a new motor. Then I would trade the car, sell the gtm kit, and go buy that sexy new Nismo.

This would be my guess. I had a boost and AFR guages, The AFR mid to low 11's in throttle and mid 14's at idle. There is a lot to get back to stock, it would cost probably $1500 or more to get it there and then I'd have to sell one hell of a ticket to a stealership. Besides, putting this thread on the forum probably doesn't help.

RonRizz · 05-21-2014, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro

Here is what I would do, I would ask bobby to put the car back to stock or the closest you can, get the ecu flashed back, and tow that shiz to Nissan and get a new motor.

That would be very dishonest.

DEpointfive0 · 05-21-2014, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RonRizz

That would be very dishonest.

And? Nissan has been cheap and motherfuckery enough of us to deserve it

Joepro · 05-21-2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RonRizz

That would be very dishonest.

You know how much BS warranty work I do in a week, people lie cheat and will do whatever they can to not pay. It's no different than the clutches we give kids with si civics or trannys in cars that have clearly been abused, or the seat that just broke, wasn't from their unruly brat in the back kicking and yanking on it....the list never ends, we live in this world...so your saying you would just pony up 10k to fix it? I doubt it, if there is a way to get it for free, do it, welcome to the real world. I said it before and I will again, the only reason I do not have a s2k is Im too damn big, 6'1 250 is not s2k friendly, Nissan is junk compared to Honda.

RonRizz · 05-21-2014, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro

You know how much BS warranty work I do in a week, people lie cheat and will do whatever they can to not pay. ..so your saying you would just pony up 10k to fix it?

No. I'm saying THAT WOULD BE DISHONEST.

COSMO · 05-20-2014, 08:41 PM

God man I dont know where to begin. Let me start by saying Iam sorry to hear about what happened. I if fact know that feeling when I drove my car to z1 motorsports for a custome tune when it blew on the dyno. At the time my car made no noises and didnt give any hints to that happening prior to that event. I couldnt blame john at z1 because there was no knock or anything to throw a red flag but it happened. Everyone on a stock block takes that chance going fi without forged internals and while alot of people seem to be alright there are others like me that for some reason it failed. I feel awful because I referred vsr to you and now this happened. At this point I know your very upset but I'm sure bobby will do what he can to make things right regardless if this was their fault or not..

Infidel · 05-20-2014, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by COSMO

God man I dont know where to begin. Let me start by saying Iam sorry to hear about what happened. I if fact know that feeling when I drove my car to z1 motorsports for a custome tune when it blew on the dyno. At the time my car made no noises and didnt give any hints to that happening prior to that event. I couldnt blame john at z1 because there was no knock or anything to throw a red flag but it happened. Everyone on a stock block takes that chance going fi without forged internals and while alot of people seem to be alright there are others like me that for some reason it failed. I feel awful because I referred vsr to you and now this happened. At this point I know your very upset but I'm sure bobby will do what he can to make things right regardless if this was their fault or not..

I appreciate your sympathy and I don't hold you in any way responsible for MY decision to take it to VSR. And yes, I'm upset. However, my motor didn't see 40 lbs of boost...it barely saw 8 lbs. Bobby reported 408hp the first time he dyno'd it, then mysteriously it gained 90+hp because he supposedly fixed a coupler that was kinked??? Is he serious??? This install was FUBAR'd from the beginning but it all points toward the tune being the culprit. After EVERYTHING that has happened in combination with this thread I seriously doubt Bobby wants anything to do with this anymore and neither do I if I have to pay him another dime.

Joepro · 05-20-2014, 08:51 PM

You do not have to sell crap to the dealer, all you know is its not running right, unless they can PROVE, when I say prove I mean legally show proof that you caused the engine to fail, they cannot deny you warranty work, period. Do not listen if they give you horseshit. Also someone around your area must know which dealer to go to, some are better than others obviously, my local dealer tried to blame second gear going out of my trans on a shift knob, and the damn manager knows who I am and that Im an advisor for Honda, it was the most pointless conversation of my life...guess what I got a new trans. Only thing they might be able to get any grasp of anything if they will know the ecu was flashed if they look, but just deny you did anything, which I am sure that you did not personally flash your ECU...

COSMO · 05-20-2014, 08:53 PM

Mine also had alot of metal chunks as well. I know what your going through right now but understand this is big boy stuff and to play you have to pay sometimes not knowing the outcome. It could have been a bad gtm part, who knows but if I had it all to do again I would not use gtm. From what I hear sam just ships anything he can find out because they are hanging on by a thread. Dont know of any vsr turbo kits that have blown..

xxAGAVExx · 05-20-2014, 08:59 PM

Man that's terrible, I hope vsr steps up a little more than giving you a deal on the rebuild. I'm/was very interested In their single turbo kit, I'm interested in how this turns out. Best of luck.

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Infidel · 05-20-2014, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xxAGAVExx

Man that's terrible, I hope vsr steps up a little more than giving you a deal on the rebuild. I'm/was very interested In their single turbo kit, I'm interested in how this turns out. Best of luck.

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I don't want a "DEAL" on a rebuild.

05-20-2014, 08:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nixlimited A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,235 Drives: 15 GT-R / 11 Prius Rep Power: 27	Sorry to hear. I hope you and Bobby can work something out to get your car back running with a built motor. elperuano and Infidel like this. __________________ Car Sold! Pleasure being a part of the Z community. New ride: 2015 GT-R - 647 WHP / 641 WTQ (e85) & 543 WHP / 519 WTQ (91)

05-20-2014, 08:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
Joepro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Athens ohio Posts: 1,213 Drives: Company car Rep Power: 35	Were you running any kind of gauges for monitoring? I am curious to see what AFR you were running I am wondering if they dumped a crap load of timing in it to try and compensate for the missing PSI. I would also like to know the part when,I am assuming a rod bearing? There IS a chance that something let go and it was not anyone's fault, I am a service advisor, I see stuff break all the time, but, Nissan did do a good job with our motors with the exception to the 09-10 debacle. I was nervous my whole tune sesssion, it was on the dyno for 28 runs(not all wot, a lot of drivability tuning) and that was some damn good torture testing for these motors, but stuff does happen. Here is what I would do, I would ask bobby to put the car back to stock or the closest you can, get the ecu flashed back, and tow that shiz to Nissan and get a new motor. Then I would trade the car, sell the gtm kit, and go buy that sexy new Nismo. PS keep your head up, you'll good through it! esfourteen, Mr.Squeeze, Mkai0 and 4 others like this. __________________ Swift\|Koni\|SPC\| FI CBE\|Z1\|Stillen\|Sbend\|Zspeed\|R/T Tuned\|523 whp\|458 tq\|10.5 psi\|SOLD Joepro's Journal\|Joepro's Boosted Performance Build \|Pittsburgh-Western-Pa-Ohio-Wv-Group Last edited by Joepro; 05-20-2014 at 08:41 PM.

05-20-2014, 08:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 21	God man I dont know where to begin. Let me start by saying Iam sorry to hear about what happened. I if fact know that feeling when I drove my car to z1 motorsports for a custome tune when it blew on the dyno. At the time my car made no noises and didnt give any hints to that happening prior to that event. I couldnt blame john at z1 because there was no knock or anything to throw a red flag but it happened. Everyone on a stock block takes that chance going fi without forged internals and while alot of people seem to be alright there are others like me that for some reason it failed. I feel awful because I referred vsr to you and now this happened. At this point I know your very upset but I'm sure bobby will do what he can to make things right regardless if this was their fault or not.. fuct, Mkai0 and DEpointfive0 like this.

05-20-2014, 08:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Joepro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Athens ohio Posts: 1,213 Drives: Company car Rep Power: 35	You do not have to sell crap to the dealer, all you know is its not running right, unless they can PROVE, when I say prove I mean legally show proof that you caused the engine to fail, they cannot deny you warranty work, period. Do not listen if they give you horseshit. Also someone around your area must know which dealer to go to, some are better than others obviously, my local dealer tried to blame second gear going out of my trans on a shift knob, and the damn manager knows who I am and that Im an advisor for Honda, it was the most pointless conversation of my life...guess what I got a new trans. Only thing they might be able to get any grasp of anything if they will know the ecu was flashed if they look, but just deny you did anything, which I am sure that you did not personally flash your ECU... DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ Swift\|Koni\|SPC\| FI CBE\|Z1\|Stillen\|Sbend\|Zspeed\|R/T Tuned\|523 whp\|458 tq\|10.5 psi\|SOLD Joepro's Journal\|Joepro's Boosted Performance Build \|Pittsburgh-Western-Pa-Ohio-Wv-Group Last edited by Joepro; 05-20-2014 at 08:55 PM.

05-20-2014, 08:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
xxAGAVExx A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,037 Drives: 09 370Z BLK M6 Rep Power: 53926	My motor grenaded. Man that's terrible, I hope vsr steps up a little more than giving you a deal on the rebuild. I'm/was very interested In their single turbo kit, I'm interested in how this turns out. Best of luck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Infidel likes this. __________________ l 09/6MT l BP Twin Turbo Kit l E-85 w/Fuel Return l FI 18" Res CF CBE l Powertrix Ultra-Lite Coilovers l Wavetrac LSD \| Lots of SPL and Carbon Fiber \|

05-20-2014, 08:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 21	Mine also had alot of metal chunks as well. I know what your going through right now but understand this is big boy stuff and to play you have to pay sometimes not knowing the outcome. It could have been a bad gtm part, who knows but if I had it all to do again I would not use gtm. From what I hear sam just ships anything he can find out because they are hanging on by a thread. Dont know of any vsr turbo kits that have blown..

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