My motor grenaded.

Infidel · 05-20-2014, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by black_sedan

any pics of the dropped oil pan?

Umm....no. Don't trust me??

Joepro · 05-20-2014, 08:33 PM

Were you running any kind of gauges for monitoring? I am curious to see what AFR you were running I am wondering if they dumped a crap load of timing in it to try and compensate for the missing PSI. I would also like to know the part when,I am assuming a rod bearing? There IS a chance that something let go and it was not anyone's fault, I am a service advisor, I see stuff break all the time, but, Nissan did do a good job with our motors with the exception to the 09-10 debacle. I was nervous my whole tune sesssion, it was on the dyno for 28 runs(not all wot, a lot of drivability tuning) and that was some damn good torture testing for these motors, but stuff does happen.

Here is what I would do, I would ask bobby to put the car back to stock or the closest you can, get the ecu flashed back, and tow that shiz to Nissan and get a new motor. Then I would trade the car, sell the gtm kit, and go buy that sexy new Nismo.

PS keep your head up, you'll good through it!

black_sedan · 05-20-2014, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infidel

Umm....no. Don't trust me??

If you knew the car wasnt running right you should have never taken it home. I'm not taking sides here but its hard to say what happened to the car after it left the shop.

Just curious what happened to the motor. When you say it let go, did it spin a bearing? Did it puke a rod through the block? Rod knock?

Infidel · 05-20-2014, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joepro

Were you running any kind of gauges for monitoring? I am curious to see what AFR you were running I am wondering if they dumped a crap load of timing in it to try and compensate for the missing PSI. I would also like to know the part when,I am assuming a rod bearing? There IS a chance that something let go and it was not anyone's fault, I am a service advisor, I see stuff break all the time, but, Nissan did do a good job with our motors with the exception to the 09-10 debacle. I was nervous my whole tune sesssion, it was on the dyno for 28 runs(not all wot, a lot of drivability tuning) and that was some damn good torture testing for these motors, but stuff does happen.

Here is what I would do, I would ask bobby to put the car back to stock or the closest you can, get the ecu flashed back, and tow that shiz to Nissan and get a new motor. Then I would trade the car, sell the gtm kit, and go buy that sexy new Nismo.

This would be my guess. I had a boost and AFR guages, The AFR mid to low 11's in throttle and mid 14's at idle. There is a lot to get back to stock, it would cost probably $1500 or more to get it there and then I'd have to sell one hell of a ticket to a stealership. Besides, putting this thread on the forum probably doesn't help.

COSMO · 05-20-2014, 08:41 PM

God man I dont know where to begin. Let me start by saying Iam sorry to hear about what happened. I if fact know that feeling when I drove my car to z1 motorsports for a custome tune when it blew on the dyno. At the time my car made no noises and didnt give any hints to that happening prior to that event. I couldnt blame john at z1 because there was no knock or anything to throw a red flag but it happened. Everyone on a stock block takes that chance going fi without forged internals and while alot of people seem to be alright there are others like me that for some reason it failed. I feel awful because I referred vsr to you and now this happened. At this point I know your very upset but I'm sure bobby will do what he can to make things right regardless if this was their fault or not..

Infidel · 05-20-2014, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by black_sedan

If you knew the car wasnt running right you should have never taken it home. I'm not taking sides here but its hard to say what happened to the car after it left the shop.

Just curious what happened to the motor. When you say it let go, did it spin a bearing? Did it puke a rod through the block? Rod knock?

Maybe so, but you can't blame the customer. Besides, I DID tell Bobby that the car felt weak when we went for the test drive before I took it home.

Don't know what completely happened because it hasn't been pulled apart. I just know that the oil pan had huge chunks on metal on the bottom.

Joepro · 05-20-2014, 08:51 PM

You do not have to sell crap to the dealer, all you know is its not running right, unless they can PROVE, when I say prove I mean legally show proof that you caused the engine to fail, they cannot deny you warranty work, period. Do not listen if they give you horseshit. Also someone around your area must know which dealer to go to, some are better than others obviously, my local dealer tried to blame second gear going out of my trans on a shift knob, and the damn manager knows who I am and that Im an advisor for Honda, it was the most pointless conversation of my life...guess what I got a new trans. Only thing they might be able to get any grasp of anything if they will know the ecu was flashed if they look, but just deny you did anything, which I am sure that you did not personally flash your ECU...

COSMO · 05-20-2014, 08:53 PM

Mine also had alot of metal chunks as well. I know what your going through right now but understand this is big boy stuff and to play you have to pay sometimes not knowing the outcome. It could have been a bad gtm part, who knows but if I had it all to do again I would not use gtm. From what I hear sam just ships anything he can find out because they are hanging on by a thread. Dont know of any vsr turbo kits that have blown..

Infidel · 05-20-2014, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COSMO

God man I dont know where to begin. Let me start by saying Iam sorry to hear about what happened. I if fact know that feeling when I drove my car to z1 motorsports for a custome tune when it blew on the dyno. At the time my car made no noises and didnt give any hints to that happening prior to that event. I couldnt blame john at z1 because there was no knock or anything to throw a red flag but it happened. Everyone on a stock block takes that chance going fi without forged internals and while alot of people seem to be alright there are others like me that for some reason it failed. I feel awful because I referred vsr to you and now this happened. At this point I know your very upset but I'm sure bobby will do what he can to make things right regardless if this was their fault or not..

I appreciate your sympathy and I don't hold you in any way responsible for MY decision to take it to VSR. And yes, I'm upset. However, my motor didn't see 40 lbs of boost...it barely saw 8 lbs. Bobby reported 408hp the first time he dyno'd it, then mysteriously it gained 90+hp because he supposedly fixed a coupler that was kinked??? Is he serious??? This install was FUBAR'd from the beginning but it all points toward the tune being the culprit. After EVERYTHING that has happened in combination with this thread I seriously doubt Bobby wants anything to do with this anymore and neither do I if I have to pay him another dime.

xxAGAVExx · 05-20-2014, 08:59 PM

Man that's terrible, I hope vsr steps up a little more than giving you a deal on the rebuild. I'm/was very interested In their single turbo kit, I'm interested in how this turns out. Best of luck.

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Infidel · 05-20-2014, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxAGAVExx

Man that's terrible, I hope vsr steps up a little more than giving you a deal on the rebuild. I'm/was very interested In their single turbo kit, I'm interested in how this turns out. Best of luck.

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I don't want a "DEAL" on a rebuild.

MidnightBlueZ · 05-20-2014, 09:06 PM

Wow man, very sorry to hear this happen to you let alone anyone! Kinda has me second guessing the noise I'm hearing.. mine is more like the louder valve chatter from the VVEL like the 08-10 issue from the G37s etc. I first noticed it the day I got back from Tampa. I sent a video to Bobby and he said it was the VVEL and advised me to change the oil to Ester oil which I did and no luck. I took the car (as instructed) to the dealer I bought it from to get it recalibrated and they didn't want to touch it for liability reasons. So I'm dealing with that. The car drives fine and pulls strong, Ive done some logs everything is supposedly fine. AFR looks good. So I'm not sure.. I'm gonna look for some metal in the oil I drained tomorrow but this has me wanting to pull my pan off and check things out.

My other issue has been white smoking which I think I've narrowed down to oil trapped in my muffler and midpipes. The feed line I got was different then the normal steel braided one. Bobby thought that was the problem because it was a little bigger diameter line? Anyway I see no signs of oil pooling in any plumbing/piping besides the very rear exhaust after switching lines so hopefully after ditching this stock exhaust that goes away fully.

I really hope you can get this resolved in some reasonable way. I remember seeing your car when I went to pick mine up. Bobby and I talked about how much crap you have dealt with. This is the absolute last thing anyone needs but things do happen. However I am with you on the "it wont happen to me" train of thought. Not sure I buy the whole 1 in 100 excuse either but what do I know. I know I took a risk going this route and I usually have shitty luck. I'll be interested to see what actually broke and what Bobby has to say. Our cars are alot alike besides the kit.. 13' about the same mileage.. regardless I wish you the best of luck man try to keep your head up!

Infidel · 05-20-2014, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidnightBlueZ

Wow man, very sorry to hear this happen to you let alone anyone! Kinda has me second guessing the noise I'm hearing.. mine is more like the louder valve chatter from the VVEL like the 08-10 issue from the G37s etc. I first noticed it the day I got back from Tampa. I sent a video to Bobby and he said it was the VVEL and advised me to change the oil to Ester oil which I did and no luck. I took the car (as instructed) to the dealer I bought it from to get it recalibrated and they didn't want to touch it for liability reasons. So I'm dealing with that. The car drives fine and pulls strong, Ive done some logs everything is supposedly fine. AFR looks good. So I'm not sure.. I'm gonna look for some metal in the oil I drained tomorrow but this has me wanting to pull my pan off and check things out.

My other issue has been white smoking which I think I've narrowed down to oil trapped in my muffler and midpipes. The feed line I got was different then the normal steel braided one. Bobby thought that was the problem because it was a little bigger diameter line? Anyway I see no signs of oil pooling in any plumbing/piping besides the very rear exhaust after switching lines so hopefully after ditching this stock exhaust that goes away fully.

I really hope you can get this resolved in some reasonable way. I remember seeing your car when I went to pick mine up. Bobby and I talked about how much crap you have dealt with. This is the absolute last thing anyone needs but things do happen. However I am with you on the "it wont happen to me" train of thought. Not sure I buy the whole 1 in 100 excuse either but what do I know. I know I took a risk going this route and I usually have shitty luck. I'll be interested to see what actually broke and what Bobby has to say. Our cars are alot alike besides the kit.. 13' about the same mileage.. regardless I wish you the best of luck man try to keep your head up!

I already talked to Bobby. He basically said he's not at fault and blamed it on the motor. It won't be long before he responds and we'll get a chance to hear what he has to say to the community.

ETA...I sincerely hope you have no issues. Send some oil to Blackstone Labs, they'll let you know.

Joepro · 05-20-2014, 09:22 PM

I would also ask for all the dyno runs with the AFR printouts from the tune, I think they are worth seeing. The truth is we may never know, but if you lost a rod bearing that's usually due to low oil, or you just had a bad one, but there are a lot of "ifs" until we know more.

DEpointfive0 · 05-20-2014, 09:23 PM

I got a text this morning from Dale (Infidel) with the bad news... It felt like I was the one who got a kick in the balls...

Quote:

Originally Posted by COSMO

God man I dont know where to begin. Let me start by saying Iam sorry to hear about what happened. I if fact know that feeling when I drove my car to z1 motorsports for a custome tune when it blew on the dyno. At the time my car made no noises and didnt give any hints to that happening prior to that event. I couldnt blame john at z1 because there was no knock or anything to throw a red flag but it happened. Everyone on a stock block takes that chance going fi without forged internals and while alot of people seem to be alright there are others like me that for some reason it failed. I feel awful because I referred vsr to you and now this happened. At this point I know your very upset but I'm sure bobby will do what he can to make things right regardless if this was their fault or not..

And COSMO, I didn't expect to see from you, but

brother

05-20-2014, 08:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
Joepro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Athens ohio Posts: 1,213 Drives: Company car Rep Power: 33	Were you running any kind of gauges for monitoring? I am curious to see what AFR you were running I am wondering if they dumped a crap load of timing in it to try and compensate for the missing PSI. I would also like to know the part when,I am assuming a rod bearing? There IS a chance that something let go and it was not anyone's fault, I am a service advisor, I see stuff break all the time, but, Nissan did do a good job with our motors with the exception to the 09-10 debacle. I was nervous my whole tune sesssion, it was on the dyno for 28 runs(not all wot, a lot of drivability tuning) and that was some damn good torture testing for these motors, but stuff does happen. Here is what I would do, I would ask bobby to put the car back to stock or the closest you can, get the ecu flashed back, and tow that shiz to Nissan and get a new motor. Then I would trade the car, sell the gtm kit, and go buy that sexy new Nismo. PS keep your head up, you'll good through it! esfourteen, Mr.Squeeze, Mkai0 and 4 others like this. __________________ Swift\|Koni\|SPC\| FI CBE\|Z1\|Stillen\|Sbend\|Zspeed\|R/T Tuned\|523 whp\|458 tq\|10.5 psi\|SOLD Joepro's Journal\|Joepro's Boosted Performance Build \|Pittsburgh-Western-Pa-Ohio-Wv-Group Last edited by Joepro; 05-20-2014 at 08:41 PM.

05-20-2014, 08:41 PM	#20 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 19	God man I dont know where to begin. Let me start by saying Iam sorry to hear about what happened. I if fact know that feeling when I drove my car to z1 motorsports for a custome tune when it blew on the dyno. At the time my car made no noises and didnt give any hints to that happening prior to that event. I couldnt blame john at z1 because there was no knock or anything to throw a red flag but it happened. Everyone on a stock block takes that chance going fi without forged internals and while alot of people seem to be alright there are others like me that for some reason it failed. I feel awful because I referred vsr to you and now this happened. At this point I know your very upset but I'm sure bobby will do what he can to make things right regardless if this was their fault or not.. fuct, Mkai0 and DEpointfive0 like this.

05-20-2014, 08:51 PM	#22 (permalink)
Joepro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Athens ohio Posts: 1,213 Drives: Company car Rep Power: 33	You do not have to sell crap to the dealer, all you know is its not running right, unless they can PROVE, when I say prove I mean legally show proof that you caused the engine to fail, they cannot deny you warranty work, period. Do not listen if they give you horseshit. Also someone around your area must know which dealer to go to, some are better than others obviously, my local dealer tried to blame second gear going out of my trans on a shift knob, and the damn manager knows who I am and that Im an advisor for Honda, it was the most pointless conversation of my life...guess what I got a new trans. Only thing they might be able to get any grasp of anything if they will know the ecu was flashed if they look, but just deny you did anything, which I am sure that you did not personally flash your ECU... DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ Swift\|Koni\|SPC\| FI CBE\|Z1\|Stillen\|Sbend\|Zspeed\|R/T Tuned\|523 whp\|458 tq\|10.5 psi\|SOLD Joepro's Journal\|Joepro's Boosted Performance Build \|Pittsburgh-Western-Pa-Ohio-Wv-Group Last edited by Joepro; 05-20-2014 at 08:55 PM.

05-20-2014, 08:59 PM	#25 (permalink)
xxAGAVExx A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,013 Drives: 09 370Z BLK M6 Rep Power: 20368	My motor grenaded. Man that's terrible, I hope vsr steps up a little more than giving you a deal on the rebuild. I'm/was very interested In their single turbo kit, I'm interested in how this turns out. Best of luck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Infidel likes this. __________________ l 09/6MT l BP Twin Turbo Kit l E-85 w/Fuel Return l FI 18" Res CF CBE l Powertrix Ultra-Lite Coilovers l Wavetrac LSD \| Lots of SPL and Carbon Fiber \|

05-20-2014, 09:06 PM	#27 (permalink)
MidnightBlueZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 291 Drives: 13 Nissan 370Z Turbo Rep Power: 16	Wow man, very sorry to hear this happen to you let alone anyone! Kinda has me second guessing the noise I'm hearing.. mine is more like the louder valve chatter from the VVEL like the 08-10 issue from the G37s etc. I first noticed it the day I got back from Tampa. I sent a video to Bobby and he said it was the VVEL and advised me to change the oil to Ester oil which I did and no luck. I took the car (as instructed) to the dealer I bought it from to get it recalibrated and they didn't want to touch it for liability reasons. So I'm dealing with that. The car drives fine and pulls strong, Ive done some logs everything is supposedly fine. AFR looks good. So I'm not sure.. I'm gonna look for some metal in the oil I drained tomorrow but this has me wanting to pull my pan off and check things out. My other issue has been white smoking which I think I've narrowed down to oil trapped in my muffler and midpipes. The feed line I got was different then the normal steel braided one. Bobby thought that was the problem because it was a little bigger diameter line? Anyway I see no signs of oil pooling in any plumbing/piping besides the very rear exhaust after switching lines so hopefully after ditching this stock exhaust that goes away fully. I really hope you can get this resolved in some reasonable way. I remember seeing your car when I went to pick mine up. Bobby and I talked about how much crap you have dealt with. This is the absolute last thing anyone needs but things do happen. However I am with you on the "it wont happen to me" train of thought. Not sure I buy the whole 1 in 100 excuse either but what do I know. I know I took a risk going this route and I usually have shitty luck. I'll be interested to see what actually broke and what Bobby has to say. Our cars are alot alike besides the kit.. 13' about the same mileage.. regardless I wish you the best of luck man try to keep your head up! Infidel likes this. Last edited by MidnightBlueZ; 05-20-2014 at 09:09 PM.

05-20-2014, 08:53 PM	#23 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 19	Mine also had alot of metal chunks as well. I know what your going through right now but understand this is big boy stuff and to play you have to pay sometimes not knowing the outcome. It could have been a bad gtm part, who knows but if I had it all to do again I would not use gtm. From what I hear sam just ships anything he can find out because they are hanging on by a thread. Dont know of any vsr turbo kits that have blown..

05-20-2014, 09:22 PM	#29 (permalink)
Joepro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Athens ohio Posts: 1,213 Drives: Company car Rep Power: 33	I would also ask for all the dyno runs with the AFR printouts from the tune, I think they are worth seeing. The truth is we may never know, but if you lost a rod bearing that's usually due to low oil, or you just had a bad one, but there are a lot of "ifs" until we know more. Infidel and MidnightBlueZ like this. __________________ Swift\|Koni\|SPC\| FI CBE\|Z1\|Stillen\|Sbend\|Zspeed\|R/T Tuned\|523 whp\|458 tq\|10.5 psi\|SOLD Joepro's Journal\|Joepro's Boosted Performance Build \|Pittsburgh-Western-Pa-Ohio-Wv-Group

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