And then good luck getting anything out of them once you have taken them to court! Once it becomes personal, there is never a win/win outcome.

Business is SO much easier when everybody just does the right thing and everyone stays civil. Unfortunately these days not many deals can be done with a handshake any more. Everyone takes things personally and the "screw them before they screw us" mentality takes over.

Edit: This is not in reference to the situation at hand, just a casual observation.

FYI, I texted a message to Sam double checking that my car is G2G for me to pick up, he replied within 15 minutes. I charge $20 per minute if you want me to make inquiries on your behalf ;) Better yet, buy one of my computers :D

I will be happy when I am the only person in Australia with a boosted Skyline 370GT. You can say that you are the only person in the WORLD with twin SC's! Lucky man!

I called Sam and had all my answers I want in few seconds :P

Lol, not quite. There is at least one other Z.

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That's why I put Skyline 370GT not 370Z :)
There are already plenty of other boosted 370Z's in Aus. I would estimate that there are only 40-50 370GT's in Australia, if that!

can't wait for the next update! read the last few pages, that escalated quickly.

on a side note, received my spark plugs, still waiting on boost controller.

I thought it was a G37

Not many G37's here. Infiniti only came back to Australia this year. Skyline 370GT's are all imported from Japan.

What plugs and boost controller are you going with Mickey?

I meant the other twin S/C car

Hey guys,

I have just skimmed through last few pages of the thread and I'm sorry that you guys haven't received an update from GTM. A pm has been sent out by Trips cc'ed to me. I'll be waiting for the reply and update here on the thread. Hopefully they will chime in here soon with an update. But in the mean time, I STRICTLY do NOT want any unwanted two cents :twocents: here by non related people. You have to understand, if you're coming here and just posting your replies to cause drama, you're making it worse for everyone. If you've had a issue with GTM (or Sam) in 2006 with a 350Z kit, please don't come here and bash them. If Mike rushed you over the phone 3 years ago, this is not the place to bash them. One person posts something, then other person posts something else and 10 posts later, thread is completely derailed. Lets keep this thread on topic and specific to ONLY people that are currently on GB or affected by it. Please keep it civil and drama free.

Thank you for you co-operation.




I'm here :hello: . Just a little busy but I'm here. Just because I don't post doesn't mean I don't watch in the background :tiphat:

You need less crap in your sig AK. Does Tire Rack even support the forum anymore lol?

As for the "restocking fee" - it is very unfair that the pople who paid upfront have to suffer the consequences only because their put the money on GTMs table 7 months before. I'm in the group buy but luckily didn't pay them, so they can't charge me with some fake costs. But dividing people in the same group buy for those who have to pay for their Research&Development and for those who don't have to it's obviously unfair.

Not to mention that clients do not have to care about GTMs R&D and sponsors it - they should only care about when they get the final product. Because GTMs offered the TT kit in this group buy - not the R&D of the Kit.

AK I figured you were hiding.

(If you've had a issue with GTM (or Sam) in 2006 with a 350Z kit, please don't come here and bash them. If Mike rushed you over the phone 3 years ago, this is not the place to bash them.)

Point taken and I know that was directed towards me but I also Recently bought and had issues with my TT kit for my 370z and my experience does relate to this thread because they gtm did the same to me. Out of respect to the moderators this will be my last post on this thread. Good luck to my fellow forum members still in the group buy. ;)

how can a company charge a restocking fee if there isnt anything to "restock"?

I think there is a little bit more to the restocking fee that you guys aren't totally clear on.. I am also on the layaway plan and part of the layaway agreement states that there is a fee to penalize pulling your deposit out (it also states I need to make up the balance within 1 year). I am assuming those of you who paid in full did not have to sign any kind of agreement and hence will get full refunds.

Because there is a signed agreement with the Layaway plan, GTM has the ability to assess that fee in the case where you pull your deposit. I do not think they are doing anything inherently wrong here.

I do agree that, given the delays and that they are giving others full refunds, that it seems a little lame for them not to waive the fee - but it is their choice. As far as what kind of delay would make this fee completely unreasonable - IMO it would be much longer. The original target date was in the summer and we are only 4-6 months late. With the manufacturing and machine setup they are dealing with that isn't really all that long (again... IMO).

At this time I am staying in the GB, but I am also not at all in the same situation as others as I am not moving back to FL until June/14 and have not even seriously started shopping for my future 370z yet. My only real disappointment is not already seeing a ton of awesome build threads.

How are you in the GB without having paid anything? Not hating, just curious how that can be.

These along with many other parts which have already been paid for by GTM would need to be restocked! Do you not understand that the restocking fee is one way for GTM to protect themselves against people pulling out of the purchase. The delay aside, GTM wrote the fee into the layaway contract to help cover the costs of anyone who pulls out at the last minute.

yeah like i said only like 10 people have actually paid per the list a couple pages back.

Not really. We don't know how many people actually paid from MyG37.com.

And we don't know how many people here paid, but didn't feel the need to tell everyone. I wouldn't have. That would be between me and GTM.

When did they start taking payments for the group buy? I haven't checked in here for so long.

First of June

i do buddy, and i was being silly. just like the last 100 posts in this thread. :tiphat:

:iagree:

Nice to see one GTM spokesperson is posting..

When is last minute?? Lol

Yeah, everyone wants to pull out in last minute from this GB, only 7 months of waiting, shame on you bastards ;)

Lesson is simple, those who paid upfront with big trust for GTM to be very first in line for the kit when it's ready, have to be patient to the very end or pay the fee. On the sidenote, I'm not able to understand why anyone paid before they deliver...because the brand awarness was strong?

Yeah, im their West Australian rep. They have promised me a further discount if I keep explaining basic business practises to people on this forum.

Are you even in the group buy MMC? I have never seen a single post from you that hasnt been negative towards GTM. Both in this thread and others! And look who the two people who have liked your comment are.....what a surprise!

Holy mother of god! Seriously??? This will be my last answer on this subject, the message isn't getting through.

The 'restocking fee' which is only payable by people who took advantage of the layaway option and no one else was written into contracts that were signed well before any delay had occurred or was even expected (both by GTM or us buyers). Every single person on the group buy has the option of pulling out should they so desire. For some there will be costs involved in doing so, for others not. Those for whom a cost would be incurred were made fully aware of this potential cost before they signed up and were aware of the risk. In order to get the advantage of a layaway option, they chose to accept this risk. We can debate whether or not GTM should charge it after these massive delays (I wouldn't) all day long but it doesn't change the facts. Does the massive delay suck? Hell yeah it does but every single person who put money on the table knew (or at least should have known) that the risk of delay was there. Im not surprised that it has been delayed, i am only surprised by how much it has been delayed. I can also completely understand how this type of delay would occur on a project like this and how GTM's systems are failing them especially when it comes to communication. Does that make it right? No. Is it going to hurt them in the long run? Yes. Are they doing it all on purpose just to screw everyone over? No.

The main reason people paid upfront is because the kits will be supplied on a first paid first served basis. Along with this I personally paid many months ago because it looked to me as though the exchange rate would drop and the kit would be more expensive if I waited (a gamble that proved to be a good one). Others would have paid because they are like a lot of people and if they have the money sitting around then they would probably spend it on something else.

After all this maybe I probably should ask Mike for a little discount......:p

Did you see how many likes my posts got? You're still doing the same thing. Enjoy man.

Still waiting for my refund, I'll give an update of how things go. The good news is, I am selling a lot of parts that some of you may be interested in. I'll post them in the for sale section soon.

Nothing to restock if nothing was actually sent out to a customer that could of been returned to be restocked. Unless the contract specifically defines restocking fee, it doesn't mean anything else other than what I just said.

Plus, one of the things that GTM wanted to do was have the MHI kit stocked up and ready to ship next business day.

Source: See #13
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ml#post2207888

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2cx8c51.jpg

Thread is pretty off topic but whatever. I hope the best for everyone including GTM and Happy Holidays everyone.

Ok...i just cant help myself....

What Is Layaway - Pros & Cons and Stores That Offer Layaway Plans
"While every store has their own rules, most layaway programs follow the same four basic process:
You pick out the items you want to put on layaway. Many stores only offer layaway for items in certain departments, such as jewelry or electronics.
You make a down payment. The down payment varies by store. Some stores let you choose the amount, while others charge an amount based on your total purchase price.
You make small payments over time. You can make weekly, biweekly, or even monthly payments, depending on the store’s policy.
Once you pay off the total purchase price plus any layaway fees, you can pick up your items.
The seemingly straightforward process has a myriad of complicated fees. While every store has a slightly different policy, stores charge some or all of these fees:
Service Fee. The service fee covers the store’s cost of processing multiple payments and keeping the items off the shelves. The service fee typically ranges from $5 to $10.
Cancellation Fee. Most stores charge a cancellation fee if you decide to cancel your layaway plan, or if you cannot make all the payments by the due date.
Restocking Fee. Some stores charge a restocking fee if you do not make your payments on time, or do not finish paying for your products by the due date."

Thanks AK

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The Layaway Process - BBB News Center
"• Can I get a refund or store credit if I no longer want the item after making a few payments? Is there a restocking fee?

You may not be able to obtain a refund or a store credit if you change your mind about buying the item put on layaway. In addition, restocking fees of 10% or more are often charged."

How do you put a product on layaway when it isn't even completed to be shipped out. You NEED to have a finished product to have it on layaway.

How Does Layaway Work? | eHow

"What Are the Costs of Using Layaway?
The cost of using a layaway budget plan varies depending on the merchant offering the plan. Most retailers charge a layaway fee to cover their administration expenses. Some retailers offer layaway plans with a flat fee, meaning that you'll pay the same amount no matter the amount of your purchase. Other retailers charge a percentage of the purchase price as a layaway fee. Rarely, a retailer may offer free layaway as a promotion. In addition, some retailers may charge a cancellation or restocking fee if a customer does not make her installment payments or fails to retrieve her layaway purchases."


Should i keep going or do people understand now???

Good point Al but explain why only a select few are being charged?

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In select few I mean the last guys in a few weeks to back out.

Go ahead I'll wait...

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