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redondoaveb 10-12-2020 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3965069)
I guess that is due to NO TQ and detuned to keep it alive. It may show 700hp on the dyno but the performance is not there. I'll be glad to put the stock block
crap to bed. It's about time.

It's tuned by Moncef (Admin Tuning). He doesn't tune to keep motors alive lol.

Spooler 10-12-2020 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3965076)
It's tuned by Moncef (Admin Tuning). He doesn't tune to keep motors alive lol.

LOL, now that is funny. :roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflpuke2:

Wuero370z 10-12-2020 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3965047)
For big power 60-130, what do you think the limiting factor is for the Z? My guess would be downforce/aero? Rear suspension geometry maybe?

The Calvo vipers are putting power down at 60mph, but the ones I see do have huge wings and sequential boxes though. 4’s range 60-130 will shake up the Z world, but probably attract lots of flies too haha.


#motec
Zs ain’t got chit for decent traction control.


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Spooler 10-13-2020 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Wuero370z (Post 3965090)
#motec
Zs ain’t got chit for decent traction control.


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Noop, I turn mine completely off and drive with my right foot.

jchammond 10-13-2020 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3965121)
Noop, I turn mine completely off and drive with my right foot.

:iagree: I’ve witnessed it first hand :eek:

Spooler 10-13-2020 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3965122)
:iagree: I’ve witnessed it first hand :eek:

Yeah, but it is very difficult to do now. My power level has come up to a point where my car is a handful to drive. I am going to do a few things to help in the future. Right now I will just keep testing the new engine build.

Whjaxn17 10-13-2020 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3965058)
Shewantsthezee says his car is 700whp and the best he can do is high 6's. I'd think it should be doing better than that.

Him and Doug are both right on the nose of 700whp, and both manual. Shane's 6.19 G is 7AT. You're talking half a second to account for a shift.

But I do wonder...if a taller tire will replicate a slightly longer gearing, could you put a radial on and simply make it a 3rd gear pull and eliminate the shift?

Spooler 10-13-2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 3965167)
Him and Doug are both right on the nose of 700whp, and both manual. Shane's 6.19 G is 7AT. You're talking half a second to account for a shift.

But I do wonder...if a taller tire will replicate a slightly longer gearing, could you put a radial on and simply make it a 3rd gear pull and eliminate the shift?

If you watch that video I posted you can hear a 4th to 5th shift. 3rd to 4th is even quicker. A triple carbon clutch helps tremendously.

Spooler 10-16-2020 08:50 AM

I can tell the difference between 10:1 and 11:1. Mark and I decided to drop the compression ratio to give a little more headroom in tuning. I notice the most difference between the two in the additional lag on tip in at lower rpm. Comparing the dyno graphs you can see it. I had to give up a little bit on the bottom to gain more on the top. No way would I go lower than 10:1. I am still not sure how I feel about it. For the boost levels I wanted to end up at I had no choice but to drop it.

Spooler 10-16-2020 09:51 AM

I got my 1320 Draggy in today. Gonna be interesting.

cv129 10-16-2020 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3965712)
I got my 1320 Draggy in today. Gonna be interesting.

:driving::excited:

Spooler 10-16-2020 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3965713)
:driving::excited:

Yup, Time to kick the tires and light the fires.

Spooler 10-16-2020 11:39 AM

Some time clarification...

5sec very fast, 4sec insanely fast, 3sec fu*king fast

cv129 10-16-2020 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3965727)
Some time clarification...

5sec very fast, 4sec insanely fast, 3sec fu*king fast

5.0 is about a stock Chiron
5.5 is about a stock Veyron

700whp 2010 ZR1 did around 6.5
FBO GTR on 93 did a 8’s
Stock 2020 GT500 did mid 5’s to low 6’s

And current street car record is a T1 customer GTR with ETS turbo kit (2400+whp) 2.55s 60-130

cv129 10-16-2020 12:22 PM

Mid 5 would be quite hard to beat for a manual, rear wheel drive car. So much easier with fast auto’s and/or AWD

Spooler 10-16-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3965729)
Mid 5 would be quite hard to beat for a manual, rear wheel drive car. So much easier with fast auto’s and/or AWD

We shall see. I have no idea if I will need to get into 5th. If all I have to do is a 3rd to 4th, it will be quick. 8K rpm redline may help.

Spooler 10-16-2020 12:47 PM

If I can figure out how to reach up and bump the boost controller in 4th it will be even better.

Spooler 10-16-2020 01:06 PM

Last time I did a 60 to 130 it was stupid fast. It hurt my dang neck. This was with the old engine.

phunk 10-16-2020 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3965728)
5.0 is about a stock Chiron
5.5 is about a stock Veyron

700whp 2010 ZR1 did around 6.5
FBO GTR on 93 did a 8’s
Stock 2020 GT500 did mid 5’s to low 6’s

And current street car record is a T1 customer GTR with ETS turbo kit (2400+whp) 2.55s 60-130

Downpipes and E85/fuel system in my GTR was 7.0 60-130, some guys are 6.9s like that. Added upgraded stock turbos and its 5.4 now. The car is likely around 3800# and maybe 800whp.

Spooler 10-16-2020 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3965740)
Downpipes and E85/fuel system in my GTR was 7.0 60-130, some guys are 6.9s like that. Added upgraded stock turbos and its 5.4 now. The car is likely around 3800# and maybe 800whp.

I guess we will see how fast I can go. I have no clue. All I know is it is stupid fast to me which may be slow. LOL

phunk 10-16-2020 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3965743)
I guess we will see how fast I can go. I have no clue. All I know is it is stupid fast to me which may be slow. LOL

Probably depends a lot on how quick your trans will let you shift it and how high you rev it out. Just adding a few hundred RPM to my rev limiter dropped the 60-130 by a couple tenths alone, keeping it in the higher torque multiplication of a lower gear for longer. I just tossed a clip up on youtube since it was on my phone already https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kLyXaPweD8

I wish the dragy existed years ago, I use the thing all the time... I would have so many vids. Just like a 1/4 timeslip, the time doesnt really show how hard a car pulls... so even if you dont get the 60-130 you want first time out, you might find that you can drastically reduce it with a little practice. The accel G graph can be handy for dialing in boost by speed curve too, you can see how much room you have to approach your maximum grip.

Spooler 10-16-2020 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3965747)
Probably depends a lot on how quick your trans will let you shift it and how high you rev it out. Just adding a few hundred RPM to my rev limiter dropped the 60-130 by a couple tenths alone, keeping it in the higher torque multiplication of a lower gear for longer. I just tossed a clip up on youtube since it was on my phone already https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kLyXaPweD8

I wish the dragy existed years ago, I use the thing all the time. I would have so many vids.

I am going to 8K. :tup:

Spooler 10-16-2020 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3965747)
Probably depends a lot on how quick your trans will let you shift it and how high you rev it out. Just adding a few hundred RPM to my rev limiter dropped the 60-130 by a couple tenths alone, keeping it in the higher torque multiplication of a lower gear for longer. I just tossed a clip up on youtube since it was on my phone already https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kLyXaPweD8

I wish the dragy existed years ago, I use the thing all the time... I would have so many vids. Just like a 1/4 timeslip, the time doesnt really show how hard a car pulls... so even if you dont get the 60-130 you want first time out, you might find that you can drastically reduce it with a little practice. The accel G graph can be handy for dialing in boost by speed curve too, you can see how much room you have to approach your maximum grip.


How did you do that? Filmed it with your phone and it over laid the Dragy data? Are you supposed to start from a stop? Inform the ignorant.

phunk 10-16-2020 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3965749)
How did you do that? Filmed it with your phone and it over laid the Dragy data? Are you supposed to start from a stop? Inform the ignorant.

When you are in the recording mode of the Dragy app, touch the little camera icon, and it records the video. It saves the recording and all the stats you achieve while its recording. When done you hit the stop button. Then when you export the video, you select the stats you wish the video to show, and it adds the light tree and stat data into the video in post processing and exporting. Then use the iphone default photo/video gallery app to crop any extra video before/after if you had it recording too long.

Spooler 10-16-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3965750)
When you are in the recording mode of the Dragy app, touch the little camera icon, and it records the video. It saves the recording and all the stats you achieve while its recording. When done you hit the stop button. Then when you export the video, you select the stats you wish the video to show, and it adds the light tree and stat data into the video in post processing and exporting. Then use the iphone default photo/video gallery app to crop any extra video before/after if you had it recording too long.

How do you mount your phone?

phunk 10-16-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3965749)
How did you do that? Filmed it with your phone and it over laid the Dragy data? Are you supposed to start from a stop? Inform the ignorant.

As for logging a 60-130 pull... It will of course get logged from a stop, but you will probably get a little bit better time by starting from a roll since your intercooler will have a little less heat soak. If I just want a 60-130 I usually floor it from about 45 or so, so that as you cross the 60mph threshold you want to already be at full power. Some guys want to actually start at 60, to account for turbo lag... that isnt the standard so you will have a hard time finding comparisons of that.

phunk 10-16-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3965751)
How do you mount your phone?

In that one I was using my god given phone mount. I have some universal ones I got from Amazon but I never one with me so I just put my elbow up on the door panel and hold it. Have fun trying that with a manual trans :D

Spooler 10-16-2020 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3965753)
In that one I was using my god given phone mount. I have some universal ones I got from Amazon but I never one with me so I just put my elbow up on the door panel and hold it. Have fun trying that with a manual trans :D

I need my own personal phone holder. Where is Elmo370z when you need him. Joby is too dang heavy.... LMAO

Off to WallFart I go....

redondoaveb 10-16-2020 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3965749)
How did you do that? Filmed it with your phone and it over laid the Dragy data? Are you supposed to start from a stop? Inform the ignorant.

I was wondering the same thing on when you should start. I've seen some guys go full throttle at 40 mph.

phunk 10-16-2020 02:24 PM

and make sure you actually hit 130. Sometimes you can be tempted to have a reflex shut down as soon as you see 130 but if your speedo is off at all that could rob you from getting the recording, which would be a damn shame to lose if you had a perfect pass going. You can wait until the 60-130 pops up on the drag screen (you wont hear the lady say "130" over the engine unless maybe you turn your radio all the way up). If you notice in the video I just linked I went like 154-155 even though the 1/4 was done at like 144, result of having lost a couple good pulls to shutting down early.

Spooler 10-16-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3965752)
As for logging a 60-130 pull... It will of course get logged from a stop, but you will probably get a little bit better time by starting from a roll since your intercooler will have a little less heat soak. If I just want a 60-130 I usually floor it from about 45 or so, so that as you cross the 60mph threshold you want to already be at full power. Some guys want to actually start at 60, to account for turbo lag... that isnt the standard so you will have a hard time finding comparisons of that.

At 4k RPM I have no turbo lag. :tup:

Spooler 10-16-2020 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3965756)
and make sure you actually hit 130. Sometimes you can be tempted to have a reflex shut down as soon as you see 130 but if your speedo is off at all that could rob you from getting the recording, which would be a damn shame to lose if you had a perfect pass going. You can wait until the 60-130 pops up on the drag screen (you wont hear the lady say "130" over the engine unless maybe you turn your radio all the way up). If you notice in the video I just linked I went like 154-155 even though the 1/4 was done at like 144, result of having lost a couple good pulls to shutting down early.

Where did you mount your Dragy? Outside the car? I was thinking on the roof.

Spooler 10-16-2020 02:32 PM

The Dragy is going to be awesome. Wish I had my Welds and MT Street R's in hand now.

phunk 10-16-2020 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3965758)
Where did you mount your Dragy? Outside the car? I was thinking on the roof.

The GTR has a subwoofer box between the 2 back seats. The top surface of that box is where I have it. Its sort of an extension of the rear windshield deck. The magnetic sticker stuck to it well enough.

I am not so sure the magnet is strong enough to keep that thing on the roof. Honestly lots of guys just toss them in the cup holder. Motorcycle guys are known for just keeping it in their pocket. I have done the cup holder a few times, even left it on the passenger seat before, and not personally noticed any discrepancies or inconsistencies in the data. It doesnt seem to matter much. But when I am serious about it, I put it in my rear deck spot I mentioned, just in case it effects the numbers.

Now that we are talking about it, I want to try it with a good phone mount. I have wondered if the Dragy uses the phones accelerometers for some of the data. If it does, having the phone mounted rigid might reduce some of the waviness in my acceleration G graph that could perhaps be the result of me holding the phone thus dampening the acceleration G and making it wavy as my arm moves around.

Spooler 10-16-2020 02:39 PM

UGG, just thought of something. Now everyone is going to know I am crazy as hell, not just think it. WTH!!!!

solidus 10-16-2020 02:50 PM

Man!! Listening to you guys, I'm gonna go our and setup my draggy now. Gotta wait for my laptop to charge so I can load this new re-tune from Seb for the intake manifold though.

Spooler 10-16-2020 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by solidus (Post 3965765)
Man!! Listening to you guys, I'm gonna go our and setup my draggy now. Gotta wait for my laptop to charge so I can load this new re-tune from Seb for the intake manifold though.

Come on and join the craziness. If you beat me you know I am gonna try harder. I will just be goofing around at first.

cv129 10-16-2020 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3965763)
UGG, just thought of something. Now everyone is going to know I am crazy as hell, not just think it. WTH!!!!

Uggghhh u such a tease!!!

phunk 10-16-2020 03:09 PM

Join the Dragy groups on facebook, and use the social media section of the Dragy app to find users to subscribe to. Seeing everyone elses posts makes you want to keep up-to-date stats on your car so you know where you stack up. Just make sure and ignore the built GT-Rs and modified superbikes, those guys are in the low to high 2 second 60-130. I follow the DragTimes channel on YouTube.. that guy sticks a Dragy in every car he gets behind the wheel of, most of them being vehicles you wont see stats on often at all... though he is often at the drag strip, so its prepped surface can really help RWD cars do things they couldnt do on the street.

Spooler 10-16-2020 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3965768)
Join the Dragy groups on facebook, and use the social media section of the Dragy app to find users to subscribe to. Seeing everyone elses posts makes you want to keep up-to-date stats on your car so you know where you stack up. Just make sure and ignore the built GT-Rs and modified superbikes, those guys are in the low to high 2 second 60-130.

I don't do MyFace. Any Instagram folks?


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