Fast Intentions Stage 2 TT build by MA-Motorsports.

DrBacon · 11-18-2021, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

You’re 100% wrong. Wayne Potts didn’t get all that involved with syvecs, T1 killed that program. Haltech does control Vvel, motec is plug n play. Expensive. So is rebuilding motors, turbo kits and supporting mods. This is the problem with the VQ community. Why this platform is stuck in a rut for the last 13 years.

Absolutely no one can justify the copious amounts of money required for an aftermarket ECU on a street car when stock does good enough, Elijah. This isn't the 90s anymore with crap factory ecu's and limited options. Find a company that's willing to develop a proper plug and play solution on a well known brand (cough haltech cough), otherwise good luck.

Spooler · 11-18-2021, 03:14 PM

None of this stuff is cheap and failures are expensive. Way too much misinformation in the community. The failures are freaking painful. Painful to the wallet and the soul.

Elmo370z · 11-18-2021, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

Absolutely no one can justify the copious amounts of money required for an aftermarket ECU on a street car when stock does good enough, Elijah. This isn't the 90s anymore with crap factory ecu's and limited options. Find a company that's willing to develop a proper plug and play solution on a well known brand (cough haltech cough), otherwise good luck.

Vit viper motec m150, haltech nexus R5 has can bus protocols, emtron has a plug n play in works. Step up your bank account to play. I have 3 options for stand-alone tuning. No one just justify it they are broke. Those type of people always looking for a deal or the cheapest route and expecting the best results.

Elmo370z · 11-18-2021, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

Vit viper motec m150, haltech nexus R5 has can bus protocols, emtron has a plug n play in works. Step up your bank account to play. I have 3 options for stand-alone tuning. No one just justify it they are broke. Those type of people always looking for a deal or the cheapest route and expecting the best results.

Motec m150 is the only plug and play with full can bus integration. They are a handful of VHR running the motec m150. If you speaking about dynosty haltech it’s only a piggy back.

Elmo370z · 11-18-2021, 03:22 PM

I was going to be one of those people to run a motec until I got a phone and decided to make the switch to a built motor

DrBacon · 11-18-2021, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

Vit viper motec m150, haltech nexus R5 has can bus protocols, emtron has a plug n play in works. Step up your bank account to play. I have 3 options for stand-alone tuning. No one just justify it they are broke. Those type of people always looking for a deal or the cheapest route and expecting the best results.

It's not about not having the money, it's about common sense. It's bothersome that if you are on the vq35 platform you can grab a really good plug and play standalone for a couple thousand, but on here it's 5k+ with custom harnesses and piggy backing. The matter of the fact is that the development in general for VQ's just aren't there, the size of your bank account will not change that.

If any of us were smart we wouldn't be trying to make power on a VQ knowing these facts, yet here we are.

Elmo370z · 11-18-2021, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

It's not about not having the money, it's about common sense. It's bothersome that if you are on the vq35 platform you can grab a really good plug and play standalone for a couple thousand, but on here it's 5k+ with custom harnesses and piggy backing. The matter of the fact is that the development in general for VQ's just aren't there, the size of your bank account will not change that.

If any of us were smart we wouldn't be trying to make power on a VQ knowing these facts, yet here we are.

The size of your bank does matter, how you think the GTR’s have gotten to where they are now. Not complaining about 5k custom harnesses. Trust me a good stand-alone whether it’s a DE or VHR is going to cost you more then 5k. How do you think the king of blowing motors EJ22’s haven’t gotten to where they are now, spending money and time to figuring things out. You posses a lot of misinformation. Very few folks have been successful with making big power on VQ, vinny ten had over 200 passes on his VQ and ran deep into the 8’s, mazworx ran into 7’s before switching to a billet block. You think it’s easy to make 1000whp? You must not understand the dark side of what some of these folks have to go through to maintain big power builds.
Do us all a favor, go buy a good stand-alone unit, make a wire harness that is plug n play, and show that it works, I’m
Sure folks here will be lined up to spend 5k or less for something that works just as good as a motec, haltech or emtron. I’ll wait

DrBacon · 11-18-2021, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

The size of your bank does matter, how you think the GTR’s have gotten to where they are now. Not complaining about 5k custom harnesses. Trust me a good stand-alone whether it’s a DE or VHR is going to cost you more then 5k. How do you think the king of blowing motors EJ22’s haven’t gotten to where they are now, spending money and time to figuring things out. You posses a lot of misinformation. Very few folks have been successful with making big power on VQ, vinny ten had over 200 passes on his VQ and ran deep into the 8’s, mazworx ran into 7’s before switching to a billet block. You think it’s easy to make 1000whp? You must not understand the dark side of what some of these folks have to go through to maintain big power builds.
Do us all a favor, go buy a good stand-alone unit, make a wire harness that is plug n play, and show that it works, I’m
Sure folks here will be lined up to spend 5k or less for something that works just as good as a motec, haltech or emtron. I’ll wait

I'm going to be honest with you for a second, I have no idea what your incoherent rant is about because it just flat out makes no sense. Where did I specify 1000whp is easy? And about ecus it seems you've not comprehended my entire point at all lmao. I'd suggest you to save your money for when your fresh mazworx block lifts its head, as Spooler has demonstrated. ��

Elmo370z · 11-18-2021, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

I'm going to be honest with you for a second, I have no idea what your incoherent rant is about because it just flat out makes no sense. Where did I specify 1000whp is easy? And about ecus it seems you've not comprehended my entire point at all lmao. I'd suggest you to save your money for when your fresh mazworx block lifts its head, as Spooler has demonstrated. ��

I’m not worried about lifting heads.I have the money to send it back to get fixed. Sucks to always to be a spectator and always wishing you had the money to do poor life choice things. It’s pretty obvious people like you are always wanting someone to hold your hand through the process. Point of ecu’s and 1000whp is it takes time and money. You keep doing your 10 minutes of research and coming up with ignorant information. No one makes a plug n play unit and syvecs seems like the best solution lol.

Hotrodz · 11-18-2021, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

I'm going to be honest with you for a second, I have no idea what your incoherent rant is about because it just flat out makes no sense. Where did I specify 1000whp is easy? And about ecus it seems you've not comprehended my entire point at all lmao. I'd suggest you to save your money for when your fresh mazworx block lifts its head, as Spooler has demonstrated.

LMAO, this build and build thread ain't for those that don't have expendable funds. There nothing cheap about doing what Spooler and few others of us are doing. They one off builds and unique to everyone of us. Sure you can talk about going to another platform or swapping in something else but Spooler has said over and over again that he is not interested in any of that and chasing his own personal dream. In doing that there will be gains for the whole platform. Doing something special requires unconventional thinking and not listening to the nay sayers. Hell, when I started my journey as well as others, the stock block was supposed to handle more than 550whp and you need to keep wtq below 500 and that was on the ragged edge. Now see stock blocks at 700whp and 580wtq.

So talking about cost for the regular Joe is not realistic at all. Most of could have easily adopted to get cars like a GTR or Porsche but we chose built over bought! Yep, maybe we are stupid and it's our money and our fun.

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DrBacon · 11-18-2021, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

LMAO, this build and build thread ain't for those that don't have expendable funds. There nothing cheap about doing what Spooler and few others of us are doing. They one off builds and unique to everyone of us. Sure you can talk about going to another platform or swapping in something else but Spooler has said over and over again that he is not interested in any of that and chasing his own personal dream. In doing that there will be gains for the whole platform. Doing something special requires unconventional thinking and not listening to the nay sayers. Hell, when I started my journey as well as others, the stock block was supposed to handle more than 550whp and you need to keep wtq below 500 and that was on the ragged edge. Now see stock blocks at 700whp and 580wtq.

So talking about cost for the regular Joe is not realistic at all. Most of could have easily adopted to get cars like a GTR or Porsche but we chose built over bought! Yep, maybe we are stupid and it's our money and our fun.

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I'm absolutely well aware and I'm all for it, I'm not knocking anyone at all who's trying to push the platform. You have to keep in mind "regular joes" are what keep this platform alive though, you'd be crazy to believe a couple high end 1 off builds provide enough income for any company to support and invest in R&D. Solutions and options MUST be affordable. We're talking low end entry level sports car here lol, this isn't the GTR world where everything does and should have a premium.

I wouldn't have spent 25k+ in mods on my second Z if I didn't believe in VQs (which I know, before any of you mention is almost nothing compared to some of you). But I know where to realistically draw the line with capabilities of the platform in it's current state. I will not be the one to push the boundaries.

Elmo370z · 11-18-2021, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

It's not about not having the money, it's about common sense. It's bothersome that if you are on the vq35 platform you can grab a really good plug and play standalone for a couple thousand, but on here it's 5k+ with custom harnesses and piggy backing. The matter of the fact is that the development in general for VQ's just aren't there, the size of your bank account will not change that.

If any of us were smart we wouldn't be trying to make power on a VQ knowing these facts, yet here we are.

“ any of us were smart we wouldn't be trying to make power” I was merely answering you. Shame on me for assuming what you meant by power.

Elmo370z · 11-18-2021, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

I'm absolutely well aware and I'm all for it, I'm not knocking anyone at all who's trying to push the platform. You have to keep in mind "regular joes" are what keep this platform alive though, you'd be crazy to believe a couple high end 1 off builds provide enough income for any company to support and invest in R&D. Solutions and options MUST be affordable. We're talking low end entry level sports car here lol, this isn't the GTR world where everything does and should have a premium.

I wouldn't have spent 25k+ in mods on my second Z if I didn't believe in VQs (which I know, before any of you mention is almost nothing compared to some of you). But I know where to realistically draw the line with capabilities of the platform in it's current state. I will not be the one to push the boundaries.

Platform is in a rut because no one wants to push the boundaries. No more low entry and any hatch back civic. 10 years ago you think a all motor fwd or awd drive civic would be knocking on the door to 7 second 1/4 miles? It takes a bunch of 1 off builds like hotrodz, spooler, Kels, soho to inspire and create ideas for that average Joe. Sometime that average Joe build works and is fast for no reason, that in turn sparks interest from other demographics to start pouring money into R&D.

DrBacon · 11-18-2021, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

Platform is in a rut because no one wants to push the boundaries. No more low entry and any hatch back civic. 10 years ago you think a all motor fwd or awd drive civic would be knocking on the door to 7 second 1/4 miles? It takes a bunch of 1 off builds like hotrodz, spooler, Kels, soho to inspire and create ideas for that average Joe. Sometime that average Joe build works and is fast for no reason, that in turn sparks interest from other demographics so start to pour money into R&D.

Hondas are fast as **** now which is inspiring for the hopeful future of VQ's, but the reason why they are is because of how cheap it is. Blow your engine? Throw a $100 junkyard engine in it and try again. Parts are cheap. It's not uncommon to see 800+whp hondas with ebay turbos now lol.

More people would be willing to try and push boundaries and experiment when they are not hit by a giant wall of cost.

redondoaveb · 11-18-2021, 08:29 PM

Knocking on the 6 second door

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Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,515 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684391	None of this stuff is cheap and failures are expensive. Way too much misinformation in the community. The failures are freaking painful. Painful to the wallet and the soul. Last edited by Spooler; 11-18-2021 at 03:55 PM.

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redondoaveb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: So. Commiefornia Posts: 6,300 Drives: 2014 Nismo Gunmetal Rep Power: 2684374	Knocking on the 6 second door Mr.Squeeze, gbrettin, Elmo370z and 1 others like this. __________________ Fast Intentions "Stage Seb" twin turbo #098- Specialty Z/Tial-Xonarotor/CJM/Ecutek/HKS/KW/SPL/Hotchkis/Rohana/Toyo 700+whp

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