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brucelidat 03-29-2018 12:43 PM

Ordered the kit through Seb, install probably in May/June. Can't wait.

BOLIO 671 03-31-2018 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by turtle64b (Post 3741486)
Would you guys mind sending me some of your data snippets that you send off to be used for tuning? I have an anomaly where one MAF (bank 1) is reading almost a volt lower than the other at times and I wanted to see if anyone else's car was doing the same. Thanks!

I'm at turtle64b@aol.com

EDIT: To follow up on this, it seems that there is not equal flow through the intake Y-pipe.

Swapping MAFs gave the same anomaly on bank 1, swapping the connection moved the anomaly to bank 2, and swapping the MAF while still connected to the same harness also moved the anomaly to the other bank. This means that at idle and light-medium acceleration, air flow through the two branches of intake Y, in my case, are significantly different. Since the Y pipe meets again in the manifold and the air mixes, the bank associated with the MAF that has the anomaly is getting much more air than sensed by its associated MAF and the other bank is getting less. This would explain my lean condition as well as the sometimes very rich condition that happens at idle.

Is anyone else experiencing this? If you look at your datalogs, it looks like one MAF reading out much lower than the other one. This can be dangerous for the engine as one bank will run rich and the other bank will run lean, potentially dangerously.


I also have this same issue ....Accoring to Seb there’s not much we can do about it as this is a result of the Y-Pipe design. It’s not a big significant difference between the banks but voltage on both banks will never come out even/identical. Since ur tuning with Seb ur in good hands.

nic370 03-31-2018 06:00 PM

Changed my filter set up today make life easy when changing the filter etc.
I had to open the area of the stock intake up a bit but all in all happy with the results
I'm not chasing every last bit of power so I happy with a little restriction but in all honesty car feels the same but back on the dyno soon for a bit more tuning https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d2e82e4068.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1490fe0c88.jpg

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MoulaZ 03-31-2018 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nic370 (Post 3743433)
Changed my filter set up today make life easy when changing the filter etc.
I had to open the area of the stock intake up a bit but all in all happy with the results
I'm not chasing every last bit of power so I happy with a little restriction but in all honesty car feels the same but back on the dyno soon for a bit more tuning
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I did a similar setup a while ago. Definitely felt a significant loss of power. Got any more info on that silicone coupler off the SC?

Jayhovah 03-31-2018 10:47 PM

So I've had two stupid ideas tonight about adjusting the intake setup on this kit...

Stupid idea #1 - could you fab up an airbox/manifold to mate to the front of the SC and then pipe that to a filter in the bumper? Still would deal with a 90 degree barrier in flow but at least you'd have more cross sectional area in the path?

Stupid idea #2 - use one of those rock-screen setups on the SC and then add a filter before the IC (or farther downstream before the TB's)? Can't think of a reason why the filter couldn't be pressurized..

I have been drinking.

bikeking 03-31-2018 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah (Post 3743510)
So I've had two stupid ideas tonight about adjusting the intake setup on this kit...

Stupid idea #1 - could you fab up an airbox/manifold to mate to the front of the SC and then pipe that to a filter in the bumper? Still would deal with a 90 degree barrier in flow but at least you'd have more cross sectional area in the path?

Stupid idea #2 - use one of those rock-screen setups on the SC and then add a filter before the IC (or farther downstream before the TB's)? Can't think of a reason why the filter couldn't be pressurized..

I have been drinking.



https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...44435651f3.jpg I’ve thought about an airbox idea, I’ve seen a few builds using one.



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bikeking 03-31-2018 11:55 PM

Could also use a cobra head, but I think the small 90 would affect airflow. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...dac6938e22.jpg


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nic370 04-01-2018 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MoulaZ (Post 3743464)
I did a similar setup a while ago. Definitely felt a significant loss of power. Got any more info on that silicone coupler off the SC?

I've only been for a little drive but certainly didn't feel down on power by much
The dyno will most likely tell me different
It's Such a shame stillen didn't mount the charger slightly across towards the stock intake location you could come straight out then

The coupler isnt a straight up solution we had to play around with it and other bits a lot

I'll get on the dyno in the next few weeks and report back the losses etc
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djkleibertron 04-03-2018 02:32 AM

ISO instructions
 
Anyone have an install video on the ATA conversion? Or a step by step pictures of converting the liquid setup to topgunz??

jchammond 04-03-2018 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bikeking (Post 3743521)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...44435651f3.jpg I’ve thought about an airbox idea, I’ve seen a few builds using one.



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I wouldn’t put a filter on the pressure/boosted side of induction,
As it could force it into your engine or at least dis-figure it & cause disruption in boost.
I’ve seen a few screens on the pressure side of oem diesels (heavy duty w/large holes) but nothing as restrictive as a filter.
When you say bumper; are you speaking of crash bar? As these are modified for various use of different filters & even replaced with smaller tubular ones (such as Fast-Intentions).
Nothing wrong with brainstorming on new ideas; as all these are custom & not oem.

Jayhovah 04-03-2018 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3744103)
I wouldn’t put a filter on the pressure/boosted side of induction,
As it could force it into your engine or at least dis-figure it & cause disruption in boost.
I’ve seen a few screens on the pressure side of oem diesels (heavy duty w/large holes) but nothing as restrictive as a filter.
When you say bumper; are you speaking of crash bar? As these are modified for various use of different filters & even replaced with smaller tubular ones (such as Fast-Intentions).
Nothing wrong with brainstorming on new ideas; as all these are custom & not oem.

nah I meant the bumper... like pipe the filter down to one of the open cavities on the sides (where FI/GTM/Gamma TT kits put the filters).

mikey1600 04-09-2018 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TBatt (Post 3741655)
Have you replaced the Stillen extension cables with the later version? The original cables are a known problem.

Are these purchased direct from Stillen or aftermarket? can't seem to find them online and I'm still running the original ones.

turtle64b 04-09-2018 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600 (Post 3745787)
Are these purchased direct from Stillen or aftermarket? can't seem to find them online and I'm still running the original ones.

Direct from Stillen. Call them. That's what I had to do recently.

TopgunZ 04-09-2018 06:39 PM

I have some gen2 sets sitting in my shop. Looking to get rid of them.

Optimiser 04-17-2018 01:42 AM

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My car is at my shop all this week to have the 928 impeller and bearings/seals/ upgrade, have a better intake fabricated so as not to have to use the little flat filter, service, Uprev ARC update and retune on the dyno. :driving:

cupcakez 04-17-2018 04:16 AM

is the impeller gold from 928 or is that a specially ordered custom gold impeller?

TopgunZ 04-17-2018 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Optimiser (Post 3747907)
My car is at my shop all this week to have the 928 impeller and bearings/seals/ upgrade, have a better intake fabricated so as not to have to use the little flat filter, service, Uprev ARC update and retune on the dyno. :driving:

Myself and others have done some testing with using a different filter and nothing is better than the one provided with the kit. But, it will be hard to say if you picked anything up or lost anything if you go with both impeller and intake mods at the same time as that impeller, assuming you will re-pulley and spin at 60K+, is going to pick up some good power.

milkcow500 04-17-2018 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cupcakez (Post 3747912)
is the impeller gold from 928 or is that a specially ordered custom gold impeller?

928 coats them and it comes in that color.

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Optimiser 04-17-2018 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cupcakez (Post 3747912)
is the impeller gold from 928 or is that a specially ordered custom gold impeller?

I think it's a special tough titanium nitride coating the same as applied to many cutting tools used on cnc mills and lathes to increase their life. It would give the impeller, which is billet aluminium, some extra protection.

"Titanium nitride is an extremely hard ceramic material, often used as a coating on titanium alloys, steel, carbide, and aluminium components to improve the substrate's surface properties". Wikipedia

Optimiser 04-17-2018 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3747943)
Myself and others have done some testing with using a different filter and nothing is better than the one provided with the kit. But, it will be hard to say if you picked anything up or lost anything if you go with both impeller and intake mods at the same time as that impeller, assuming you will re-pulley and spin at 60K+, is going to pick up some good power.

I have already "re-pullied" and am at about 59,000rpm compared to the stock 50,000rpm. Its been fine for a year like this but I wanted to do the bearing and seals upgrade for durability/reliabilty reasons and thought I'd do the upgraded impeller at the same time.

bcfromfl 04-18-2018 09:15 AM

I just ordered the clutch/flywheel from ZSpeed, and Joe asked me about torque numbers at the wheel. I told him no more than 410, and probably 390-400 on 93 octane. I also told him I will never launch the car, or track it. He actually recommended his Stage 2 EZ-Street Quiet Clutch, and while he said I'd be at the upper limits of what the clutch is rated for, that I'd be very pleased with the day-to-day operation of it.

Anyway, long story short, I'm starting to get nervous that I told him the right numbers, and went through this thread and dug out Turtle's, overture's, and redondo's dyno charts. Theirs were lower than what I told Joe...so I think I'm safe. Anyone else with torque numbers on A2A?

TopgunZ 04-18-2018 09:46 AM

What if you decide to go E85 some day? We are seeing over 450wtq on that stuff. What if you get the 928 full build and throw 13psi at it? Also, what if you decide down the road to swap to a turbo setup where your making over 500wtq? Id go to 450 at a min.

bcfromfl 04-18-2018 10:07 AM

Well...I guess at my age, I'd be more than happy with your A2A setup. I just don't like the torque curves with turbos, which is why I'm going s/c, and want an enjoyable, reliable, fun car. e85 isn't readily available in my area. If I do go with the 928 build after a few miles on the Si, I wouldn't boost pressures higher, and keep them at ~9psi. I'd like to see what others experience with the 928, and if it really provides noticeable and earlier torque.

I'd also probably have a difficult time convincing the wife that putting more money into the car will reap huge rewards! :rofl2:

TopgunZ 04-18-2018 10:26 AM

Fair enough.

FWIW I had the stage 3 street with quiet disk and i loved everything about it. Next to stock feel, barely audible, not grabby and it held 510wtq all day. If i ever need a clutch again thats the one id buy. The stage 2 Im sure is very similar with a slight lighter feel and probably cheaper.

G3RSTY7 04-18-2018 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3748299)
Fair enough.

FWIW I had the stage 3 street with quiet disk and i loved everything about it. Next to stock feel, barely audible, not grabby and it held 510wtq all day. If i ever need a clutch again thats the one id buy. The stage 2 Im sure is very similar with a slight lighter feel and probably cheaper.

Stage 3 with quiet disk, are we talking southbend or Zspeed?

Ordered the ECB-1 with flex fuel sensor, going ethanol right off the bat. about to order the RFS, gonna skip getting the billet fuel rails and also unsure if I really NEED the billet tophat

wideglideleon 04-18-2018 02:10 PM

It's a good idea to go billlet top hat, as our plastic one break often. Might as take care of this weak link while your there.

phunk 04-18-2018 06:54 PM

Early G37 often have a 350z fuel pump housing which doesnt have the hat breaking issue of the 370z or later G37 that use 370z style fuel pump housings.

I have not yet come up with a way to determine which fuel pump housing is in the G37 other than just pulling it from the tank and looking at it.

jwick 04-18-2018 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3748399)
Early G37 often have a 350z fuel pump housing which doesnt have the hat breaking issue of the 370z or later G37 that use 370z style fuel pump housings.

I have not yet come up with a way to determine which fuel pump housing is in the G37 other than just pulling it from the tank and looking at it.


That’s interesting. Wonder which one I have. How early are we talking?

phunk 04-18-2018 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3748449)
That’s interesting. Wonder which one I have. How early are we talking?

I am not sure. I think it goes several years in though.

turtle64b 04-18-2018 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bcfromfl (Post 3748283)
I just ordered the clutch/flywheel from ZSpeed, and Joe asked me about torque numbers at the wheel. I told him no more than 410, and probably 390-400 on 93 octane. I also told him I will never launch the car, or track it. He actually recommended his Stage 2 EZ-Street Quiet Clutch, and while he said I'd be at the upper limits of what the clutch is rated for, that I'd be very pleased with the day-to-day operation of it.

Anyway, long story short, I'm starting to get nervous that I told him the right numbers, and went through this thread and dug out Turtle's, overture's, and redondo's dyno charts. Theirs were lower than what I told Joe...so I think I'm safe. Anyone else with torque numbers on A2A?

I hope to be hitting a dyno day soon (hopefully Sunday), I'll let you know where I'm at!

redondoaveb 04-18-2018 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcfromfl (Post 3748283)
I just ordered the clutch/flywheel from ZSpeed, and Joe asked me about torque numbers at the wheel. I told him no more than 410, and probably 390-400 on 93 octane. I also told him I will never launch the car, or track it. He actually recommended his Stage 2 EZ-Street Quiet Clutch, and while he said I'd be at the upper limits of what the clutch is rated for, that I'd be very pleased with the day-to-day operation of it.

Anyway, long story short, I'm starting to get nervous that I told him the right numbers, and went through this thread and dug out Turtle's, overture's, and redondo's dyno charts. Theirs were lower than what I told Joe...so I think I'm safe. Anyone else with torque numbers on A2A?

My dyno torque numbers are 386 on 91 and 440 on e85. I'm running a JWT clutch/flywheel and it holds that power fine. The only slipping I get are the tires in the first three gears. :rofl2:

cupcakez 04-19-2018 06:01 PM

I have a question:
With the 7AT, Can the OEM Transmission handle the following upgrades:
- 3.0" & 3.47" Supercharger pulleys
- 9 PSI Pulley
- A2A Kit
- 1050x ID
- 928 Impeller & High-Speed Bearings / Seals on V3 SCi

I understand that the OEM Auto Tranny can handle up to 425 ft lb. TQ max safely, anything past that is a risk.

Thats why I ask :o

wideglideleon 04-19-2018 06:38 PM

See my other posts, our stock autos don't last long when boosted. I tried mine has lasted 20,000 with a VERY CONSERVATIVE tune just about 400whp. That's with a 19 core Setrab cooler on it and SEB increasing the line pressure also.

cupcakez 04-19-2018 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wideglideleon (Post 3748799)
See my other posts, our stock autos don't last long when boosted. I tried mine has lasted 20,000 with a VERY CONSERVATIVE tune just about 400whp. That's with a 19 core Setrab cooler on it and SEB increasing the line pressure also.

Ok.
So I would be pretty much driving a Tranny Time Bomb until one of three things happen:
- Upgrade it with a level10 Tranny
- It blows up and Im forced to get a new one
- I get the Z1 Excedy Clutch Packs & FI Aluminum Billet Flex Plate

This is assuming I have said upgrades I listed a few posts up with a very conservative tune.

Welp. Upgrading the 7AT is what I will go for ASAP next year lol.

TBatt 04-20-2018 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3748299)
Fair enough.

FWIW I had the stage 3 street with quiet disk and i loved everything about it. Next to stock feel, barely audible, not grabby and it held 510wtq all day. If i ever need a clutch again thats the one id buy. The stage 2 Im sure is very similar with a slight lighter feel and probably cheaper.

That is what I have and I love it. Super easy to drive.

mikey1600 04-24-2018 03:27 AM

TL;DR - made 440rwhp on 93 US fuel equivalent with MAF's maxed out (UpRev).

So not bad news from me guys, finally got my limp mode thing sorted out, it was infact the flywheel as suspected, so if it ever happens to anyone else, car would only rev to like 3k, ran like a complete dog, timing was stuck on 25 degrees.

Now the good news, finally got word my car is starting to be tuned, almost finished so should get it back this week (public holiday tomorrow here in Australia for ANZAC day so hopefully Thurs/Fri). Car was making around 330rwkw (about 440rwhp) on 98 RON Pump fuel, about equiv to your 93 when the MAF's maxed out, was previously UpRev tuned so had to stick with the same guys to try work out what the limp mode was. Don't have a dyno sheet yet, will try get one when I pick it up.

I'll be going ahead with the UpRev GT Maf's and switching to E85 + final tune when they arrive. Will keep everyone posted in the coming weeks, this gives everyone else the other option as I'm not sure if anyone else is still running UpRev with this kit + other mods.

ByThaBay 04-24-2018 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600 (Post 3749915)
TL;DR - made 440rwhp on 93 US fuel equivalent with MAF's maxed out (UpRev).

So not bad news from me guys, finally got my limp mode thing sorted out, it was infact the flywheel as suspected, so if it ever happens to anyone else, car would only rev to like 3k, ran like a complete dog, timing was stuck on 25 degrees.

Now the good news, finally got word my car is starting to be tuned, almost finished so should get it back this week (public holiday tomorrow here in Australia for ANZAC day so hopefully Thurs/Fri). Car was making around 330rwkw (about 440rwhp) on 98 RON Pump fuel, about equiv to your 93 when the MAF's maxed out, was previously UpRev tuned so had to stick with the same guys to try work out what the limp mode was. Don't have a dyno sheet yet, will try get one when I pick it up.

I'll be going ahead with the UpRev GT Maf's and switching to E85 + final tune when they arrive. Will keep everyone posted in the coming weeks, this gives everyone else the other option as I'm not sure if anyone else is still running UpRev with this kit + other mods.

Why not just run ecutek? :)

mikey1600 04-25-2018 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ByThaBay (Post 3750020)
Why not just run ecutek? :)

See previous posts in the thread, last thing I'm wanting to do is try switch to a different tuning software/tuner when the cars been in limp mode for so long and hadn't been tuned at all with all the new changes, SC upgrade, injectors, pump, a2a kit, return fuel system etc..

turtle64b 04-25-2018 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600 (Post 3750214)
See previous posts in the thread, last thing I'm wanting to do is try switch to a different tuning software/tuner when the cars been in limp mode for so long and hadn't been tuned at all with all the new changes, SC upgrade, injectors, pump, a2a kit, return fuel system etc..

I don't think any of the boosted guys are running UpRev? I ran UpRev for my NA tune, but all fingers pointed to transitioning to Ecutek when I transitioned to forced induction. Given the level of experience of the guys tuning our cars (Seb and Eugene), you could easily find a very solid, relatively drive-able starting tune with Ecutek, with the second revision most likely being daily drive-able. The UpRev MAFs won't function with Ecutek, to my knowledge.

Good luck with everything man!

jwick 04-25-2018 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by turtle64b (Post 3750392)
I don't think any of the boosted guys are running UpRev? I ran UpRev for my NA tune, but all fingers pointed to transitioning to Ecutek when I transitioned to forced induction. Given the level of experience of the guys tuning our cars (Seb and Eugene), you could easily find a very solid, relatively drive-able starting tune with Ecutek, with the second revision most likely being daily drive-able. The UpRev MAFs won't function with Ecutek, to my knowledge.



Good luck with everything man!


Not a true statement. There are a lot of guys, myself included, boosted running UpRev. I haven’t updated my tune but from what I hear the updated simplified timing for UpRev is pretty legit. There’s still a lot of benefit from going to Ecutek but not as much as it used to be if you already have UpRev.


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