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mikey1600 02-09-2018 09:12 PM

Champion mate! thanks so much!! I've already done the upgrade on my blower with vortech and the upgraded bearings etc.. so looking at the next step ;) already got the 9psi pulley from stillen originally as well. I'll order the other 2 and go from there.

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Originally Posted by cupcakez (Post 3729027)
Yeah. I have done extensive research on pulleys and with the help of quite a few members of this forum!

I will be glad to share the information!!
This is what I will be doing for optimal boost gains!

BUT AFTER...I get the A2A kit installed, Super Vortech Impeller Upgrade from 928 motorsports, and when my engine is finished being installed. Although I plan to swap out the 3.0 for a 2.85 possibly -- because I will have a much stronger engine :) But will need to do more research on that first.

- Vortech 8 Rib 3.47 Inch Supercharger Drive Pulley (Jack side) 2A038-347
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vor-2a038-347
- $100

- Vortech Supercharger Pulley 3.0'' (Supercharger Side) 2A038-300
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vor-2a038-300
- $102

- 9psi pulley (Replace the 8psi pulley that the stillen kit came with which is on jackshaft serpentine side)
https://conceptzperformance.com/stil...13_p_19055.php
- $220


mikey1600 02-09-2018 09:13 PM

Only other thing! With that combo is there a new belt I will need we can buy off the shelf?

redondoaveb 02-09-2018 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600 (Post 3729223)
Only other thing! With that combo is there a new belt I will need we can buy off the shelf?

No new belt required. The 3.47" pulley takes up the slack from going to the smaller 3.00" supercharger pulley.

mikey1600 02-11-2018 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3729227)
No new belt required. The 3.47" pulley takes up the slack from going to the smaller 3.00" supercharger pulley.

wicked mate thanks! will order :D

mikey1600 02-14-2018 06:10 AM

Hey guys, can't find any good ecutek tuners in my area so having to stick with UpRev, will I need the UpRev GT MAf's?? - UpRev MAF GT

jwick 02-14-2018 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600 (Post 3730360)
Hey guys, can't find any good ecutek tuners in my area so having to stick with UpRev, will I need the UpRev GT MAf's?? - UpRev MAF GT



Have Seb remote tune it.

TopgunZ 02-14-2018 07:51 AM

Yes. Look to sebs at SpecialtyZ. His remote tune will be better than any uprev dyno tune there.

overtureZ 02-25-2018 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3730389)
Yes. Look to sebs at SpecialtyZ. His remote tune will be better than any uprev dyno tune there.

To Poster,
If you do decide uprev, make the trip to GA and go to Jon at Z1.

mikey1600 03-23-2018 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by overtureZ (Post 3733404)
To Poster,
If you do decide uprev, make the trip to GA and go to Jon at Z1.

I'm in Australia ;)

Build is still ongoing had issues with this level 2 limp mode crap, looking down to the flywheel, it was a prototype for a company here, they are sorting it out but this is taking a long time all up :O just wanna drive the thing!

bcfromfl 03-23-2018 01:05 PM

I'm trying to do as much research as possible before I get to this installation, so I can avoid any potential errors, etc. I seem to be having difficulty linking videos on this forum, but I found one on YouTube that has me scratching my head. The title is, "Supercharged 370z e85 Ecutek Air to Air FMIC dyno run 460whp."

It seems like this guy has done everything right...A2A, CJM with return rails, tune by Seb, in ADDITION to e85. Why is he only making 460hp? What could he have done differently to bring it over 500 -- even to 550?

I don't plan on pushing the kit to obscene numbers, but I'm hoping to learn something here so I can at least avoid problems, and optimize my installation.

Thanks!

milkcow500 03-23-2018 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcfromfl (Post 3741177)
I'm trying to do as much research as possible before I get to this installation, so I can avoid any potential errors, etc. I seem to be having difficulty linking videos on this forum, but I found one on YouTube that has me scratching my head. The title is, "Supercharged 370z e85 Ecutek Air to Air FMIC dyno run 460whp."

It seems like this guy has done everything right...A2A, CJM with return rails, tune by Seb, in ADDITION to e85. Why is he only making 460hp? What could he have done differently to bring it over 500 -- even to 550?

I don't plan on pushing the kit to obscene numbers, but I'm hoping to learn something here so I can at least avoid problems, and optimize my installation.

Thanks!

If you look in his video description he states that he is still running stock boost levels (stock impeller/pulleys).

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bcfromfl 03-23-2018 02:18 PM

I thought I was under the impression that 8-9psi would produce 500+, at the very least 480-ish? Maybe I misunderstood...

Jayhovah 03-23-2018 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bcfromfl (Post 3741193)
I thought I was under the impression that 8-9psi would produce 500+, at the very least 480-ish? Maybe I misunderstood...

post link?

Ambient temperature, pressure, and type of dyno will have a pretty big effect on the numbers.

milkcow500 03-23-2018 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcfromfl (Post 3741193)
I thought I was under the impression that 8-9psi would produce 500+, at the very least 480-ish? Maybe I misunderstood...

There's too many factors honestly. The dyno calibration/altitude/weather play big roles. He also doesn't state what % ethanol this run is at as well. Conservative tune?

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cupcakez 03-23-2018 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcfromfl (Post 3741177)
I'm trying to do as much research as possible before I get to this installation, so I can avoid any potential errors, etc. I seem to be having difficulty linking videos on this forum, but I found one on YouTube that has me scratching my head. The title is, "Supercharged 370z e85 Ecutek Air to Air FMIC dyno run 460whp."

It seems like this guy has done everything right...A2A, CJM with return rails, tune by Seb, in ADDITION to e85. Why is he only making 460hp? What could he have done differently to bring it over 500 -- even to 550?

I don't plan on pushing the kit to obscene numbers, but I'm hoping to learn something here so I can at least avoid problems, and optimize my installation.

Thanks!

Okay so let's take a look at this.
He has:
[x] CJM return rail system
[x] Tune by Seb
[x] E85
[x] A2A kit

He is still missing, as others have already said:
[ ] Triple pulley swap for faster spins on the blower head unit
[ ] Super Vortech Upgrade from 928 motorsports for both bearings and impeller
[ ] Exhaust system upgrades? Any headers? 3'' Downpipes?
[ ] Flex Plate Upgrade?

These things would help increase the power as well to the wheels :D

Jayhovah 03-23-2018 02:56 PM

the description says he was tuned at 'The Boost Creep' which is in Longmont, CO at an elevation of 5000'. Solved.

milkcow500 03-23-2018 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah (Post 3741206)
the description says he was tuned at 'The Boost Creep' which is in Longmont, CO at an elevation of 5000'. Solved.

Ouch.

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redondoaveb 03-23-2018 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcfromfl (Post 3741193)
I thought I was under the impression that 8-9psi would produce 500+, at the very least 480-ish? Maybe I misunderstood...

I have the Si supercharger (not the Sci), a2a, 9lb pulley, cjm s1.se, tuned by Seb on flex fuel. My car made 541 @10psi on e85.

cupcakez 03-23-2018 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayhovah (Post 3741206)
the description says he was tuned at 'the boost creep' which is in longmont, co at an elevation of 5000'. Solved.

dayum!

also. @Redondo:
Do you also have 1050x++ injectors?
And what is the difference between SC and SCi head units if I can ask? :o

redondoaveb 03-23-2018 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cupcakez (Post 3741218)
dayum!

also. @Redondo:
Do you also have 1050x++ injectors?
And what is the difference between SC and SCi head units if I can ask? :o

Yep, 1050x injectors. The Sci has a lower cfm rating. The new kit that Topgunz will be selling comes with the Si supercharger. When I bought mine from Stillen I paid a little extra for the Si unit.

cupcakez 03-23-2018 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3741222)
Yep, 1050x injectors. The Sci has a lower cfm rating. The new kit that Topgunz will be selling comes with the Si supercharger. When I bought mine from Stillen I paid a little extra for the Si unit.

Darn, if I knew that I would have done the same as you and pay a bit more for the Si unit :(

Seeing as I purchased the A2A kit which works with the SCi trim I have, I'm pretty stuck with the SCi trim so I will most likely send it to 928 sometime next year or toward the end of this year, to get the super vortech upgrade.

Live and learn :D

625 - 650 whp should be plenty enough before I crave more power after that anyway xD

redondoaveb 03-23-2018 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cupcakez (Post 3741224)
Darn, if I knew that I would have done the same as you and pay a bit more for the Si unit :(

Seeing as I purchased the A2A kit which works with the SCi trim I have, I'm pretty stuck with the SCi trim so I will most likely send it to 928 sometime next year or toward the end of this year, to get the super vortech upgrade.

Live and learn :D

625 - 650 whp should be plenty enough before I crave more power after that anyway xD

The super vortech mod is a better set up than the Si trim, you can push the sc further with that upgrade.

bcfromfl 03-23-2018 04:52 PM

You guys are so smart! :tiphat: I'm so glad I found this board!

P.S. Glad I'm at sea level!

cupcakez 03-23-2018 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3741225)
The super vortech mod is a better set up than the Si trim, you can push the sc further with that upgrade.

Well yeah but that would mean if the super vortech upgrade was applied to both the Si and SCi trim, the Si would still win out no?

redondoaveb 03-23-2018 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cupcakez (Post 3741266)
Well yeah but that would mean if the super vortech upgrade was applied to both the Si and SCi trim, the Si would still win out no?

I believe the Si trim is basically an impeller upgrade to the Sci (I could be wrong) and you would obviously be changing that out with the super vortech upgrade.

cupcakez 03-23-2018 07:26 PM

Does it also include the ceramic bearings upgrade as well or just impeller if true at all?

redondoaveb 03-23-2018 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cupcakez (Post 3741276)
Does it also include the ceramic bearings upgrade as well or just impeller if true at all?

No, it definitely doesn't include the ceramic bearings.

cupcakez 03-23-2018 08:01 PM

Oh, haha ok thank you for the information!

redondoaveb 03-23-2018 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cupcakez (Post 3741281)
Oh, haha ok thank you for the information!

When I change out my supercharger pulley to either the 2.85 or 3.00", I'm going to keep the stock bearings, we'll see how long they last. :rofl2:

cupcakez 03-23-2018 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3741283)
When I change out my supercharger pulley to either the 2.85 or 3.00", I'm going to keep the stock bearings, we'll see how long they last. :rofl2:

You already have 9psi pulley on serp side and a 3.47 pulley yeah?
If so, all you need is the 3 inch one since the 2.85 will overspin it xD

redondoaveb 03-24-2018 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cupcakez (Post 3741306)
You already have 9psi pulley on serp side and a 3.47 pulley yeah?
If so, all you need is the 3 inch one since the 2.85 will overspin it xD

I replaced the stock 8psi pulley with the 9psi on the serpentine side. I haven't replaced any others.

TopgunZ 03-24-2018 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cupcakez (Post 3741306)
You already have 9psi pulley on serp side and a 3.47 pulley yeah?
If so, all you need is the 3 inch one since the 2.85 will overspin it xD

Technically just the 9psi pulley alone slightly overspins the head unit unless you upgrade bearings.

cupcakez 03-24-2018 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3741355)
Technically just the 9psi pulley alone slightly overspins the head unit unless you upgrade bearings.

Gotcha. Didn't know that.
Ugh. Gotta wait til next year before I upgrade that :D

turtle64b 03-24-2018 07:05 PM

MAF Issue
 
Would you guys mind sending me some of your data snippets that you send off to be used for tuning? I have an anomaly where one MAF (bank 1) is reading almost a volt lower than the other at times and I wanted to see if anyone else's car was doing the same. Thanks!

I'm at turtle64b@aol.com

EDIT: To follow up on this, it seems that there is not equal flow through the intake Y-pipe.

Swapping MAFs gave the same anomaly on bank 1, swapping the connection moved the anomaly to bank 2, and swapping the MAF while still connected to the same harness also moved the anomaly to the other bank. This means that at idle and light-medium acceleration, air flow through the two branches of intake Y, in my case, are significantly different. Since the Y pipe meets again in the manifold and the air mixes, the bank associated with the MAF that has the anomaly is getting much more air than sensed by its associated MAF and the other bank is getting less. This would explain my lean condition as well as the sometimes very rich condition that happens at idle.

Is anyone else experiencing this? If you look at your datalogs, it looks like one MAF reading out much lower than the other one. This can be dangerous for the engine as one bank will run rich and the other bank will run lean, potentially dangerously.

TBatt 03-25-2018 08:36 PM

Have you replaced the Stillen extension cables with the later version? The original cables are a known problem.

turtle64b 03-26-2018 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBatt (Post 3741655)
Have you replaced the Stillen extension cables with the later version? The original cables are a known problem.

Yessir!

G3RSTY7 03-28-2018 09:20 AM

Quoting turtle's message so it doesn't get forgotten, but is anybody using the innovate ECB gauge complete kit? ECB-1 (BOOST) Ethanol Content & Air/Fuel Ratio Gauge It comes with gauge (fuel temp, boost, ethanol content, O2). Complete kit also comes with MAP sensor and ethanol sensor. Is this everything I need or do I assume I still need a Zeitronix ECA2 Ethanol analyzer?--and anything else I'm forgetting in regards to gauges and flex fuel needs (aside from actual fuel system). Any reviews or suggestions for my gauges?

Quote:

Originally Posted by turtle64b (Post 3741486)
Would you guys mind sending me some of your data snippets that you send off to be used for tuning? I have an anomaly where one MAF (bank 1) is reading almost a volt lower than the other at times and I wanted to see if anyone else's car was doing the same. Thanks!

I'm at turtle64b@aol.com

EDIT: To follow up on this, it seems that there is not equal flow through the intake Y-pipe.

Swapping MAFs gave the same anomaly on bank 1, swapping the connection moved the anomaly to bank 2, and swapping the MAF while still connected to the same harness also moved the anomaly to the other bank. This means that at idle and light-medium acceleration, air flow through the two branches of intake Y, in my case, are significantly different. Since the Y pipe meets again in the manifold and the air mixes, the bank associated with the MAF that has the anomaly is getting much more air than sensed by its associated MAF and the other bank is getting less. This would explain my lean condition as well as the sometimes very rich condition that happens at idle.

Is anyone else experiencing this? If you look at your datalogs, it looks like one MAF reading out much lower than the other one. This can be dangerous for the engine as one bank will run rich and the other bank will run lean, potentially dangerously.


milkcow500 03-28-2018 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G3RSTY7 (Post 3742405)
Quoting turtle's message so it doesn't get forgotten, but is anybody using the innovate ECB gauge complete kit? ECB-1 (BOOST) Ethanol Content & Air/Fuel Ratio Gauge It comes with gauge (fuel temp, boost, ethanol content, O2). Complete kit also comes with MAP sensor and ethanol sensor. Is this everything I need or do I assume I still need a Zeitronix ECA2 Ethanol analyzer?--and anything else I'm forgetting in regards to gauges and flex fuel needs (aside from actual fuel system). Any reviews or suggestions for my gauges?

I'm running the complete kit. I believe the only extra pieces I needed were the fittings for the flex fuel sensor.

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turtle64b 03-28-2018 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G3RSTY7 (Post 3742405)
Quoting turtle's message so it doesn't get forgotten

I appreciate you! My post can fade in to the dark. I got a full speed density tune from Seb last night, flashed it this afternoon, and it's a night and day difference! Talking to him, some cars get equal flow and some don't. For those that don't have equal flow, some can be tuned for, and some can't haha. I plan to work with him on full SD unless I figure out some way to equalize flow. Thank you guys!

ANMVQ 03-29-2018 11:04 AM

^^^ He'll for sure straiten things out he's a very good tuner


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