Radiator: CSF or Mishimoto?

Chuck33079 · 09-11-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

I suspect that a properly designed vented hood would help quite a bit in that regard as there is most likely a bit of back pressure behind the radiator if the air has nowhere to go.

I'm convinced this would solve everyone's problems.

CSF Inc. · 09-12-2013, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

I'm convinced this would solve everyone's problems.

I tell a lot of the 370Z drivers I see at the track this same thing, and we've seeing up to ~10 degree drops in temps with vehicles with vented hoods. Exit airflow is key in a proper cooling system.

On another note, I'm currently sitting at my factory, and I'm discussing with my egineers several ways to make our unit even better. Perks of manufacturing your own product

We'll be testing our current unit against our new innovative design through MotoIQ.com.. Stay tuned for results...

Stino · 09-09-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze

Yesterday it was 80 degrees outside during the day when I decided to take the car out for some pulls. I started out at 181 degree coolant temperature and did 3 back to back pulls with about 20 seconds or so for between pulls due to space . The first pull was to 120 MPH coolant went up to 186 next pull was to 140 MPH 190 coolant temp. Now the last pull I had a good bit of room and did a pull to 160MPH . After all this my coolant temperature went up to 208 degrees and then came down quick to about 190. The recovery on this radiator is night and day compared to the CSF. Once I pulled over and for off the highway let the car sit for less than 5 minutes my coolant temperature went down to 177 .

I agree with you on this. To set the stage, I've never owned the CSF Radiator, therefore I can't make a comparison between the two. However, I too log my Z with Uprev, And I'm hard pressed to get Mishimoto coolant temps over 205 with many back-to-back 0-60 runs along with very spirited driving on remote roadways in my hometown. All this in 92 degree weather and still the water temp averages 201 and oil around 190-195. Mishimoto radiator performs very well. See my regression charts below, proof is in the pudding (as they say).

Having said that, anyone having temp issues with the Mishimoto or for that matter any radiator install, please read. MAKE SURE YOU PROPERLY FILL ANY NEW RADIATOR INSTALL BY RUNNING THE CAR WARM WITH THE HEAT BLOWING ON HIGH WHILE POURING ADDITIONAL COOLANT INTO THE ENGINE. DOING IT THIS WAY WILL REMOVE THE AIR BUBBLES WITHIN THE COOLANT. THEN AFTER 15 MINUTES TURN CAR OFF THEN BACK ON AFTER 10 MINUTES AND DO THE SAME UNTIL FANS COME ON. I HAVE READ MANY FORUM POSTS REGARDING TEMP RELATED ISSUES BECAUSE OF NOT PROPERLY FLUSHING THE COOLANT. Sorry for the bold caps, I just wanted to make sure forum members looking to replace their radiator see this important caveat.

Mishimoto · 09-10-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze

Mishimoto hands down over the CSF raditor it's not even close. Over the past few days I been testing the Mishimoto radiator in some of the same codintions as the CSF and I will tell you its a night and day differnce .

All the testing I've done with both radiators has been with Uprev because the stock gauge is pretty much useless for this type of testing. The stock gauge has a normal operating temperature of about 160 degrees and doesn move one dot tell above 220 witch is hot .

Yesterday it was 80 degrees outside during the day when I decided to take the car out for some pulls. I started out at 181 degree coolant temperature and did 3 back to back pulls with about 20 seconds or so for between pulls due to space . The first pull was to 120 MPH coolant went up to 186 next pull was to 140 MPH 190 coolant temp. Now the last pull I had a good bit of room and did a pull to 160MPH . After all this my coolant temperature went up to 208 degrees and then came down quick to about 190. The recovery on this radiator is night and day compared to the CSF. Once I pulled over and for off the highway let the car sit for less than 5 minutes my coolant temperature went down to 177 .

Now in these same type of conditions the CSF unit would have been well over 220 and would take much longer to come down in temperature.

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Originally Posted by Stino

I agree with you on this. To set the stage, I've never owned the CSF Radiator, therefore I can't make a comparison between the two. However, I too log my Z with Uprev, And I'm hard pressed to get Mishimoto coolant temps over 205 with many back-to-back 0-60 runs along with very spirited driving on remote roadways in my hometown. All this in 92 degree weather and still the water temp averages 201 and oil around 190-195. Mishimoto radiator performs very well. See my regression charts below, proof is in the pudding (as they say).

Having said that, anyone having temp issues with the Mishimoto or for that matter any radiator install, please read. MAKE SURE YOU PROPERLY FILL ANY NEW RADIATOR INSTALL BY RUNNING THE CAR WARM WITH THE HEAT BLOWING ON HIGH WHILE POURING ADDITIONAL COOLANT INTO THE ENGINE. DOING IT THIS WAY WILL REMOVE THE AIR BUBBLES WITHIN THE COOLANT. THEN AFTER 15 MINUTES TURN CAR OFF THEN BACK ON AFTER 10 MINUTES AND DO THE SAME UNTIL FANS COME ON. I HAVE READ MANY FORUM POSTS REGARDING TEMP RELATED ISSUES BECAUSE OF NOT PROPERLY FLUSHING THE COOLANT. Sorry for the bold caps, I just wanted to make sure forum members looking to replace their radiator see this important caveat.

Thanks for the awesome feedback guys! It's great to see people taking the time to test our products, in order to come up with their own conclusions.

DEpointfive0 · 09-10-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mishimoto

Thanks for the awesome feedback guys! It's great to see people taking the time to test our products, in order to come up with their own conclusions.

I'll leave this right here:
Review of Mishimoto Thermostatic Oil Sandwich Plate

Stino · 09-10-2013, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

I'll leave this right here:
Review of Mishimoto Thermostatic Oil Sandwich Plate

The only Mishimoto product I purchased and installed is their radiator and silicon hoses. Having said that, I'm very satisfied with the quality, performance and overall ease of installation. I can only go based on my experience not others.

However, let's be fair, in the automotive performance part industry, product defects and part failures unfortunately come with the territory. NO COMPANY IS EXEMPT TO HAVING THEIR PRODUCTS FAIL EVERY NOW AND AGAIN. I'm not a huge fan or hate any one company per say, but lets call it like it is.

I came across this CSF Radiator Review when looking to replace my radiator. Click here to read. This review honestly did not have any impact on my decision to purchase the Mishimoto Radiator, it was the Mishimoto size and two cores that sold me. Please note: I have absolutely nothing against CSF as I always read nothing but great things regarding their radiators. It's just that anyone searching can find a post/thread regarding a product failure with almost every company that sells performance car parts.

O&G · 09-09-2013, 06:03 PM

I run the CSF radiator w/ a Comp oil-less turbo which uses coolant to cool the turbo. I also live in Texas where ambient temps can get to 95 plus everyday through summer. At full throttle, 11psi of boost my temps would peg 215 - 225 on hot days, and quickly fall to 200 after letting off the throttle. A typical drive in the Z would be 200 miles plus through the hill country, it is not my DD. I have not tracked the car, but I have beaten on her pretty good. I'm satisfied and am looking to upgrade the fans in the future.

*edit: I use the Greddy Informeter to log temps and peak temps. I never did a comparison vs the stock radiator or any other.

Chuck33079 · 09-10-2013, 10:26 AM

They posted here, but still haven't responded to that other thread. Hmmmmm...

G37sHKS · 09-10-2013, 11:23 AM

Well I cant bash on Mishimoto radiator after we got Mr.Squeeze's approval stamp but as for company itself I'll try to stay away for good.

1slow370 · 09-11-2013, 02:30 AM

yes and even the best companies have things made in Chinese factories, OEM's do it all the time, it really just matters how short of a leash you keep on your suppliers.

GaleForce · 09-12-2013, 06:35 AM

I was approached by a CSF Canada rep at Mega Meet car show in Toronto on the weekend. He was wondering if I was running a CSF rad. I'm not yet... He offered me a deal but, I'll wait to pull the trigger until you guys come out with your new design.

blak max · 02-19-2015, 01:55 PM

so is there a newer version of the radiator?

bullitt5897 · 02-19-2015, 02:00 PM

The CSF Triple pass is the best unit on the market at the moment.

jwick · 02-19-2015, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

The CSF Triple pass is the best unit on the market at the moment.

Agreed and the saying we have at the shop is 'Friends don't let friends put Mishimoto parts on their car'

blak max · 02-19-2015, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

The CSF Triple pass is the best unit on the market at the moment.

model number of the tipple verses older?

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Originally Posted by jwick

Agreed and the saying we have at the shop is 'Friends don't let friends put Mishimoto parts on their car'

friends don't lets friends buy ichiba !

09-09-2013, 06:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
O&G A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Lone Star State Age: 42 Posts: 1,212 Drives: 40th Anv. Rep Power: 23	I run the CSF radiator w/ a Comp oil-less turbo which uses coolant to cool the turbo. I also live in Texas where ambient temps can get to 95 plus everyday through summer. At full throttle, 11psi of boost my temps would peg 215 - 225 on hot days, and quickly fall to 200 after letting off the throttle. A typical drive in the Z would be 200 miles plus through the hill country, it is not my DD. I have not tracked the car, but I have beaten on her pretty good. I'm satisfied and am looking to upgrade the fans in the future. edit: I use the Greddy Informeter to log temps and peak temps. I never did a comparison vs the stock radiator or any other. dAvenue likes this. __________________ O&G's Build/Journal <---(1st lowmount single turbo treeseventy) Built Engine Thread 2011 F-250 Build/Journal Last edited by O&G; 09-09-2013 at 06:06 PM.*

09-10-2013, 10:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	They posted here, but still haven't responded to that other thread. Hmmmmm... __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

09-10-2013, 11:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
G37sHKS A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,183 Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT Rep Power: 21	Well I cant bash on Mishimoto radiator after we got Mr.Squeeze's approval stamp but as for company itself I'll try to stay away for good. Mr.Squeeze likes this. __________________ G37 BUILD UNDER CONSTRUCTION

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1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	yes and even the best companies have things made in Chinese factories, OEM's do it all the time, it really just matters how short of a leash you keep on your suppliers. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

09-12-2013, 06:35 AM	#11 (permalink)
GaleForce A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 21,749 Drives: Varis Arising II Rep Power: 51865	I was approached by a CSF Canada rep at Mega Meet car show in Toronto on the weekend. He was wondering if I was running a CSF rad. I'm not yet... He offered me a deal but, I'll wait to pull the trigger until you guys come out with your new design. O&G likes this. __________________ >>>GaleForce's Build<<< >>>FaceBook @3GsCustoms<<<>>>Instagram @GaleForce370z<<< Varis Kamikaze-Z

02-19-2015, 01:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
blak max Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: CFL Posts: 476 Drives: Ls swapped 370z Rep Power: 3370	so is there a newer version of the radiator? __________________ LS 370Z ~ Fueled Racing ~ CSF radiator ~ Vis Racing ~ Braum Racing ~ SPLparts~ Vossen~Odessey Battery

02-19-2015, 02:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3683	The CSF Triple pass is the best unit on the market at the moment. CSF Inc., jwick and DEpointfive0 like this. __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

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