Trouble downshifting to 1st

DEpointfive0

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edub370

Ugh i got way too worked up on this thread earlier. Just one of those days i guess. To each their own

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SS_Firehawk

Edub, I like your rims, haha. And your car is facing the wrong direction, turn it around like mine :P

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edub370

Thanks SS. And i need to throw my pic in my avatar... Or u put yours in your sig. One of the 2 lol

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Japanjay

It is so people that cant heel toe now can look like someone that learned how to drive a manual the right way. Some 45 year old women is going to be pulling into neiman marcus and sound like a circuit driver in the parking garage.... No different than the cars that have speakers that pump faux exhaust noise in the car and under the hood.... It is to help people drive, sort of like crutches for someone with a broke leg, helps them walk. It is never going to be as good a manual imput. Same reason why GTR engines are assembled by human hands and not robots.

But that is my .02

edub370

technology isn't a crutch. its an advancement. helping people to drive smoother and not have to heel toe on the street is nothing to look down upon. hell, one of the purest auto companies in the world (porsche) is switching over to SRM and pdk systems on most of their cars. times are changing man

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Japanjay

I still stand behind the fact a machine will never be able to replicate a human response perfectly. Hence why exotic cars and even our own nissan skyline, the most important parts are all assembled by hand.

It is a option that one brand started, majority of the community liked it because heel toe was something that they didnt want to spend years perfecting and practicing. Now other makers are following suit. And this is only my .02 on the SRM on the 6spd. No comment on the 7spd. It is an option to help you, but doesnt mean it is better than doing it yourself. I am not bashing the people that use it be any means nor looking down upon them, just stating my dislike for the way the systems operates in my car. I have turned it on maybe a total of 3 times in the 20k miles I have driven. Each time was to give it another shot, and each time I turned it back off due to the feeling I got from it when driving it. Some might not notice it, but I do.

I am a manual transmission purist. Been solely driving a manual for going on 16 yrs. I heel toe in any car I get in, just second nature now. Just the way my feet move, I dont even notice it. I have friends ride with me and as we are coming to a stop I am downshifting and after a few mintues they always ask what I am doing with the car to make it downshift like that. Even friends that have modified cars comment about how I am doing that. It is something that is kinda hard to get the grasp of, but once you do it becomes second nature. I will state that when someone is trying it out or practicing it, it can be entertaining to watch.

SS_Firehawk

I'll respectfully disagree with the latter statement about SRM. It's not because no one wanted so spend the time to learn it. The benefits far outweigh the drawbacks. Smoother engagements on up and down shifts mean longer life on drivetrain parts. Money back in the manufacturer's pocket. Not only that, it's a definite safety feature on a missed shift, the car won't rapidly change wheel speed when it's engaged. And most importantly for us who have it, it's one less thing to think about it when playing track warrior on the weekends. More time focused on brake points, hitting the apex and your immediate surroundings. For gentlemen such as yourself, turn it off. I'm pretty sure most women who happen to somehow find themselves in a SP Z or Nismo won't be downshifting when coming to a stop, they will most likely just press the clutch in and either put it in 1st or neutral when at a stop.

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Japanjay

Tracking you car means any damage done shouldnt be covered under warranty. But none of us will openly admit we are doing that.

SRM is just a feature. If it was meant to prevent damage and what not and if that was its sole purpose then why have the option to turn off or on. The 7at downshifts no different when referencing the rpms at which you drop down into. And they have no option on that, all computer controled. When you get good at it, it is just second nature, you dont even think, just react. I am still trying to get the left foot braking down, that is not something I try on the streets. Been known to jab and not press.

When you get good at doing it yourself, you will find the flaws. Even humans mess up sometimes though.

SS_Firehawk

I was only referring to on road performance except my last comment regarding warranties. I definitely understand where you are getting at. Being Military, we train until it's muscle memory. SRM doesn't always like to engage 1st, but in every other gear, even a race car driver will fail more times than SRM. Every notable magazine has said this. When watching video's, almost every one I've seen has the driver using SRM. Yes it's still considered a novelty, but I see it as being the standard every manufacturer moves to now that it's been proven to enhance the experience for most. Be happy ours is defeatable The Cayman M6 is always on.

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Japanjay

I wouldnt buy a car that controls everything, if it is going to be my "fun" car. That is one thing I like about ours. I can almost turn everything off. Hence why I would love to get a viper. And cars that are truely oriented and marketed at being a track car are using dual clutch set-ups now. I want a three pedal config with nothing else. I am not looking to make a lively hood of racing nor even get some trophy. I just plain ole enjoy driving a manual. Wont have it any other way. In heavy stop and go traffic or cruising down the hwy. I had my friend drive my other car home the other day, it has a 6 puck unsprung CC clutch with a 7.5lb fidanza flywheel. I shed like almost 35lbs just at the transmission housing. That thing is narly to drive, but once you get use to it, smooth as butter. He was like HOW THE **** DO YOU DRIVE THIS AROUND TOWN?

cheshirecat

IMO, the 370z transmission does not like being thrown into 1st at anything higher than 10 miles an hour.

I personally won't shift into first at anything faster than 5 or so- I treat it just as a very short gear to get the car moving and keep clutch wear down as opposed to starting in 2nd and possibly overfeathering the clutch.

TerribleONE

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SS_Firehawk

Not to sound rude, but why not use the brake? It's cheaper to repair than the clutch...

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bfowlzr33

true and yes definately understand but it mostly occurs while im pressing the brake and holding the clutch in, so when im doing that im technically not "downshifting" im just shifting into first while the clutch is depressed and slowly coming to a stop. some may ask why not just shift to first after you stop? i do sometimes and sometimes i also shift to first while clutch is engaged and braking at the same time. when i "heel to toe" (when barely moving as in less than 5 mph) it has no problem shifting to first. and of course i wouldnt really call that heel to toe shifting since you bareley have to do anything to match the revs when moving at such a slow speed. but thats hard on the car which i dont like like. sorry for the confusion, as the problem i am having doesnt occur while actually "downshifting" just shifting to first while clutch is engaged. hope this helps its hard to explain

i have the base touring. non sport touring whatever you want to call it. and no SRM

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