Nissan 370Z Forum  

HH-O Hydromoving Technology

Buy a Prius

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Engine & Drivetrain


Like Tree30Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-26-2013, 05:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
DEpointfive0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: SoCal
Posts: 14,824
Drives: a lot
Rep Power: 17152
DEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Buy a Prius
DEpointfive0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 06:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
Base Member
 
lorenz1955's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Italy
Posts: 33
Drives: 370Z Hydromoving S.
Rep Power: 13
lorenz1955 is on a distinguished road
Send a message via Skype™ to lorenz1955
Default Compare Prius- Nissan 370 Z

Quote:
Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 View Post
Buy a Prius
The official UK fuel efficiency data for the Prius T3 is Urban 72.4 mpg-imp (3.90 L/100 km; 60.3 mpg-US), Extra Urban 76.4 mpg-imp (3.70 L/100 km; 63.6 mpg-US), Combined 72.4 mpg-imp (3.90 L/100 km; 60.3 mpg-US).[53]

The 1.8-liter gasoline engine (previously 1.5 liters) generates 98 hp (73 kW), and with the added power of the electric motor generates a total of 134 hp (100 kW) (previously 110 hp/82 kW).

For you : 100 Kw > 3,7 L/100 Km- For example Prius 243 Kw > 8,991 L/100 Km

For me : 243 Kw > 6,0 L/100Km- For example 370 Z 100 Kw > 2,469 L/100 Km

Do you think there is no comparison ...?
I choose Nissan 370Z with Hidro-System :


Nissan 370 Z 3700 cc 330Hp 258 Km/Hr

Ibrid ( 70% Gasoline + 30% HH-O )

Urban Conditions 10,3 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 243,8 g/Km

Extraurban Conditions 6,0 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 141,9 g/Km

Combined 7,6 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 179,5 g/Km

CO = 0,013 g/Km

HC = 0,007 g/Km
By
Attached Files
File Type: pdf nissan_idrogeno_2011-05-02_001162.pdf (103.6 KB, 5 views)
__________________
info@hydromoving.com
lorenz1955 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 09:02 AM   #3 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
wstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 4,024
Drives: too slow
Rep Power: 3595
wstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Ok, I'll bite again...

Quote:
Originally Posted by lorenz1955 View Post
I choose Nissan 370Z with Hidro-System :


Nissan 370 Z 3700 cc 330Hp 258 Km/Hr

Ibrid ( 70% Gasoline + 30% HH-O )
30% HHO in what units (by volume? by weight?). I have a hard time imagining any on-board water splitter doing it fast enough to supply 30% of the car's fuel needs by either measure. What is the rate at which your system splits water on-board?

Quote:
Urban Conditions 10,3 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 243,8 g/Km

Extraurban Conditions 6,0 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 141,9 g/Km

Combined 7,6 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 179,5 g/Km

CO = 0,013 g/Km

HC = 0,007 g/Km
So these are the numbers for testing your modified Z, and are inclusive of changes to e.g. the weight of the vehicle? Does it include the weight of any on-board water storage? (and how long does that water last in kms or hours? Or are you picking up water vapor along the way to replenish? If so what are the limits on that at various relative humidities?) Do you have comparable numbers from the same test conditions for a stock 370Z?

I know you've mentioned dry-cell batteries in the past, which I assume are recharged by the alternator and use to provide current for splitting water. Is the test long enough that the existing charge in your battery array was not a factor (i.e. that you could pre-charge them to make everything work better and then drain them down during the test, or was it a complete cycle with the batteries maintaining the same average charge)?

There are a lot of questions you don't really answer. That's only scratching the surface. But the bottom line is that physics says you can't win this game on fuel efficiency, generally speaking. Maybe by combining the offset of several existing inefficiencies in the ICE design, you could pick up 5% or something, but then that would probably be offset by the additional vehicle weight and/or mfg cost and/or maintenance needs, etc. You've got an uphill battle against a brutal enemy, and his name is Science.
__________________
7AT Track Car!
Journal thread / Car setup details
wstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 11:55 AM   #4 (permalink)
Base Member
 
lorenz1955's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Italy
Posts: 33
Drives: 370Z Hydromoving S.
Rep Power: 13
lorenz1955 is on a distinguished road
Send a message via Skype™ to lorenz1955
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wstar View Post
Ok, I'll bite again...



30% HHO in what units (by volume? by weight?). I have a hard time imagining any on-board water splitter doing it fast enough to supply 30% of the car's fuel needs by either measure. What is the rate at which your system splits water on-board?
The gas injection system Hydromoving, it picks up the signal from the ECU car, and with two microp, compare the car injector opening time, with quantity of gas available per ms,and establishes the opening time reduction car injector,at the same time regulates the opening time for gas injector.
Please excuse my english,bat the google translator is bull....and for me much more difficult.
Quite simply works this way.






Quote:

So these are the numbers for testing your modified Z, and are inclusive of changes to e.g. the weight of the vehicle? Does it include the weight of any on-board water storage? (and how long does that water last in kms or hours? Or are you picking up water vapor along the way to replenish? If so what are the limits on that at various relative humidities?) Do you have comparable numbers from the same test conditions for a stock 370Z?
If I can I attach an original car data file.
Ok. Filename-Z34 datasheet :
point 46,1 and 46,2.

Quote:
There are a lot of questions you don't really answer. That's only scratching the surface. But the bottom line is that physics says you can't win this game on fuel efficiency, generally speaking. Maybe by combining the offset of several existing inefficiencies in the ICE design, you could pick up 5% or something, but then that would probably be offset by the additional vehicle weight and/or mfg cost and/or maintenance needs, etc. You've got an uphill battle against a brutal enemy, and his name is Science.
Probably you forgot I studied Physics at the University...you aren't alone.
But is not a problem :
The result :That you like it or not, are carried out by an Italian State Agency, like "The US EPA " and certified, If you do not agree is not my problem.Who should decide is Nissan and then ...
By
lorenz
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Z34 Data sheet.jpg (65.8 KB, 11 views)
__________________
info@hydromoving.com
lorenz1955 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
370Z = old technology? captain1 Nissan 370Z General Discussions 71 09-26-2012 08:44 PM
Tru Technology S44 Amp TWYNBYZ Audio & Video 1 08-10-2011 03:43 PM
New Paint Technology Mergnthwirker Exterior & Interior 2 10-29-2009 10:08 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:50 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2