Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures

KoolKarmaJoe · 06-29-2015, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I'm not sure you read my post correctly; I wasn't talking about Z1's quote

I was referring to your claim that "some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up". Where did you see this?

I cannot say how it would work with the various forced induction options, but Z1 might be able to give some guidance.

read it on The370ZForum when I first looked through the forum for help with my clutch issues and a member posted his experience with the CSC slave elimination kit. That didn't turn me off of the product though. What turned me off the product was the last paragraph from sellers Site when you view the slave elimination kit; ""Strongly Recommended: Please view a complete copy of the Installation Manual for the __ Motorsports Concentric Slave Cylinder Elimination Kit, PDF Installation Manual document available for download Here. Proper installation and adjustment of this kit will require end-user mechanical aptitude. Because of the very narrow window in which this product was designed to function as a bolt on solution, this product may require adjustment through the life of the clutch." -

JARblue · 06-29-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe

Some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up.

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I'd be interested to see a link to someone on this forum saying it requires adjustments every 2nd fill up. Because that is bogus.

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe

read it on The370ZForum when I first looked through the forum for help with my clutch issues and a member posted his experience with the CSC slave elimination kit.

WHERE DID YOU READ THIS? I was asking for a link to their post because they are spreading misinformation

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe

That didn't turn me off of the product though. What turned me off the product was the last paragraph from sellers Site when you view the slave elimination kit; ""Strongly Recommended: Please view a complete copy of the Installation Manual for the __ Motorsports Concentric Slave Cylinder Elimination Kit, PDF Installation Manual document available for download Here. Proper installation and adjustment of this kit will require end-user mechanical aptitude. Because of the very narrow window in which this product was designed to function as a bolt on solution, this product may require adjustment through the life of the clutch." -

That is just a standard disclaimer. The slave elimination kit functions in a very narrow window because the cylinder length is static once installed. Removing one bolt/nut and loosening two nuts allows you to extend the cylinder as needed to account for clutch wear. The clutch wear limit is only a few millimeters, so that is all you will be adjusting it over the life of the clutch. I won't profess to know exactly how much one turn extends the cylinder, but if a 1/2 turn is all that is needed every 10-12K miles (based on my personal experience) then my guess is that one turn adjusts the cylinder length about half a millimeter.

The process of the adjustment is quite simple. If you can get the car on jack stands and can use a wrench, you have enough mechanical aptitude to do the adjustment. The fact that you are all hung up on the generic Z1 disclaimer language and not on the fact that someone said it has to be adjusted every other time you fill up with gas (which is just flat out stupid) would leave me to believe that you have ulterior motives

I'm not suggesting this is the case; I am just telling you that is the impression that you are giving

KoolKarmaJoe · 06-29-2015, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I'm not sure you read my post correctly; I wasn't talking about Z1's quote

I was referring to your claim that "some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up". Where did you see this?

I cannot say how it would work with the various forced induction options, but Z1 might be able to give some guidance.

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Originally Posted by JARblue

WHERE DID YOU READ THIS? I was asking for a link to their post because they are spreading misinformation

That is just a standard disclaimer. The slave elimination kit functions in a very narrow window because the cylinder length is static once installed. Removing one bolt/nut and loosening two nuts allows you to extend the cylinder as needed to account for clutch wear. The clutch wear limit is only a few millimeters, so that is all you will be adjusting it over the life of the clutch. I won't profess to know exactly how much one turn extends the cylinder, but if a 1/2 turn is all that is needed every 10-12K miles (based on my personal experience) then my guess is that one turn adjusts the cylinder length about half a millimeter.

The process of the adjustment is quite simple. If you can get the car on jack stands and can use a wrench, you have enough mechanical aptitude to do the adjustment. The fact that you are all hung up on the generic Z1 disclaimer language and not on the fact that someone said it has to be adjusted every other time you fill up with gas (which is just flat out stupid) would leave me to believe that you have ulterior motives

I'm not suggesting this is the case; I am just telling you that is the impression that you are giving

I'll look here & also on the350z forum since i readbot as well as go through saved PM's.. I will also check out Z1 PDF for more info as well as their info on 1 how to adjust, 2 how often to adjust 3 what a symptoms of need to adjust. 4 Fitment with turbos.... How often did you say you adjust yours? Posts your steps of adjustments as well as pics. I seem to recall someone on this forum stating they put pics of adjusting the Elimination unit. Was that you? Where can o find the pics?

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KoolKarmaJoe · 06-29-2015, 10:23 AM

here it is! You did post earlier that in previous threads you listed your steps/ experiences with adjustments. Do you remember?
"I've got one. I did the install myself over a year ago (~17K miles). I've done one adjustment. I check it every time I'm under the car, and at this point expect to do no more than one adjust per 10-20K miles depending on how hard the clutch plate is used during that time. The adjustment is simple, requires minimal tools (jack + stands or ramps needed), and takes very little time if you are already under the car for an oil change or something. I've posted about my experiences with the adjustment in several threads on the matter "
I can't find any of the "previous threads" you wrote of your experiences adjusting. Can you re-post those steps & experiences here?

JARblue · 06-29-2015, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe

I'll look here & also on the350z forum since i readbot as well as go through saved PM's.. I will also check out Z1 PDF for more info as well as their info on 1 how to adjust, 2 how often to adjust 3 what a symptoms of need to adjust. 4 Fitment with turbos.... How often did you say you adjust yours? Posts your steps of adjustments as well as pics. I seem to recall someone on this forum stating they put pics of adjusting the Elimination unit. Was that you? Where can o find the pics?

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I have adjusted mine once so far. I did it at about 12K miles. I have around 18K miles on the car since the install now.

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe

here it is! You did post earlier that in previous threads you listed your steps/ experiences with adjustments. Do you remember?
"I've got one. I did the install myself over a year ago (~17K miles). I've done one adjustment. I check it every time I'm under the car, and at this point expect to do no more than one adjust per 10-20K miles depending on how hard the clutch plate is used during that time. The adjustment is simple, requires minimal tools (jack + stands or ramps needed), and takes very little time if you are already under the car for an oil change or something. I've posted about my experiences with the adjustment in several threads on the matter "
I can't find any of the "previous threads" you wrote of your experiences adjusting. Can you re-post those steps & experiences here?

This thread has some good info. The link goes straight to the post I made after my first adjustment Opinions needed:ZSpeed HD CSC or Z1 Motorsports Slave Delete

I will be doing an oil change this week and will try to take some photos. It is easy enough that I don't even mind taking it apart to show the steps for adjustment in more detail even though I won't be adjusting it

KoolKarmaJoe · 06-29-2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I have adjusted mine once so far. I did it at about 12K miles. I have around 18K miles on the car since the install now.

This thread has some good info. The link goes straight to the post I made after my first adjustment Opinions needed:ZSpeed HD CSC or Z1 Motorsports Slave Delete

I will be doing an oil change this week and will try to take some photos. It is easy enough that I don't even mind taking it apart to show the steps for adjustment in more detail even though I won't be adjusting it

I was viewing the PDF for this installation & adjustments on the Elimination Kit. Wow, seems a little more than I wish to get into after reading # 14 "ADJUSTMENTS". And you are correct with your reference to checking/ adjusting with every oil change as it states that as well in the PDF. As far as frequency other than what's listed in PDF of Z1 Elimination , I referred to articles that are posted on "My350z.com".. Quite a few posts there as well as "The350Z.com".. "Travlee" post 12-09-2014

ShutokuZ · 06-29-2015, 01:01 PM

If this doesn't show the level of denial Nissan is in, I don't know what will. Compare the fluid color and the statement on my work order under section E..... I have 14k and 2.5 years of driving it.

JARblue · 07-02-2015, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe

Can you re-post those steps & experiences here?

On Topic Thread Post #4661

Here are some pics of the adjustment. The biggest thing is the nut is a lock nut, so a ratcheting wrench is helpful. Take note of the washers and remove the bolt. The second pic shows bolt and washers with the nut almost removed. The third pic shows the threaded rod with the bolt removed. Loosen the two nuts to rotate the threaded rod 1/2 turn (might need 1 full turn depending on the clutch plate wear). Then tighten up the nuts on the threaded rod and reinstall the bolt and lock nut. Piece of cake

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KoolKarmaJoe Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Baltimore MD Posts: 417 Drives: 09' Nissan 370Z R M6 Rep Power: 13	here it is! You did post earlier that in previous threads you listed your steps/ experiences with adjustments. Do you remember? "I've got one. I did the install myself over a year ago (~17K miles). I've done one adjustment. I check it every time I'm under the car, and at this point expect to do no more than one adjust per 10-20K miles depending on how hard the clutch plate is used during that time. The adjustment is simple, requires minimal tools (jack + stands or ramps needed), and takes very little time if you are already under the car for an oil change or something. I've posted about my experiences with the adjustment in several threads on the matter " I can't find any of the "previous threads" you wrote of your experiences adjusting. Can you re-post those steps & experiences here? __________________ "Joe" AAM True 3" Duals / Whiteline Bars & Rear Links / Tanabe Sustec Pro / Mishimoto Oil Cooler / Michelin Pilot SS ACT HD Pressure Plate / ACT Performance Disc / ACT Streetlite Flywheel / ZSpeed HD CSC on GTR Fluid.

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