[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[ta-kid]

Originally Posted by jpkirk

So how come nobody whines about SRM? Automation seeping into the manual world.

I love SRM. It was the deciding factor on purchasing the Z with the 6MT. Other than it's gorgeous, felt like race car getting into it (to me anyway) and had more go than anything I had driven in the last 30 years.

But if it had not been for SRM, I probably would have bought an auto.

The auto has SRM if you have it manual Paddle mode.Revs matches just like a stick.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by ta-kid

The auto has SRM if you have it manual Paddle mode.Revs matches just like a stick.

Doesn't every AT? My wife's Acura has paddle shifters. If you downshift, it rev matches.

[ta-kid]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Doesn't every AT? My wife's Acura has paddle shifters. If you downshift, it rev matches.

Not familiar with other makes with paddle shifters so u may be right,but other late model automatics without paddle shifters,that I have driven, do not rev match.I was just saying that our Nissan auto does rev match for those using the excuse they bought a manual instead of the 7AT ,because of the rev match.And also our auto rev matches when using the console stick ,so you do not need paddle shifters necessarily to have auto rev match.Which brings me to ask of those who own a Z with a 7AT,but without the paddle shifters,do you get rev match feature when downshifting with the stick in manual mode.

[ItsErnie]

Originally Posted by ta-kid

Not familiar with other makes with paddle shifters so u may be right,but other late model automatics without paddle shifters,that I have driven, do not rev match.I was just saying that our Nissan auto does rev match for those using the excuse they bought a manual instead of the 7AT ,because of the rev match.And also our auto rev matches when using the console stick ,so you do not need paddle shifters necessarily to have auto rev match.Which brings me to ask of those who own a Z with a 7AT,but without the paddle shifters,do you get rev match feature when downshifting with the stick in manual mode.

It is the exact same rev match with the stick in manual mode as well as the paddles.

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by ta-kid

Not familiar with other makes with paddle shifters so u may be right,but other late model automatics without paddle shifters,that I have driven, do not rev match.I was just saying that our Nissan auto does rev match for those using the excuse they bought a manual instead of the 7AT ,because of the rev match.And also our auto rev matches when using the console stick ,so you do not need paddle shifters necessarily to have auto rev match.Which brings me to ask of those who own a Z with a 7AT,but without the paddle shifters,do you get rev match feature when downshifting with the stick in manual mode.

rev match works on both paddles and console shifts.

the no paddles thing on the base 7at is new for the fucked new options nonsense Nissan went with sooooo I wouldn't know lol need a 2015 owner to chime in on that one.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by ta-kid

other late model automatics without paddle shifters,that I have driven, do not rev match.

Are you saying that an AT without paddle shifters does not match engine and transmission speeds when downshifting? I don't believe that is true. All AT cars rev match or else they would just grind the transmission whenever they downshifted.

I don't know of any AT car with paddle shifters that does not rev match. In an AT car without paddle shifters you might still have a stick mode similar to the Z's manual mode - and the car will rev match whenever you use the stick to downshift. Or in an AT car without any sort of manual mode, you just mash down the gas pedal to downshift. The engine RPMs increase when the transmission makes the shift - aka rev matching.

[jwick]

I didn't care for the SRM much but only played with it for the test drive. I do like the satisfaction of perfect shifting. Seems like SRM would take away some of that fun

[ayrton88]

I never use the SRM. I've been heel and toeing for so long I just do it automatically so when I had the SRM on the revs were all over the place because the car and I were both trying to match revs. In any case, it is one of those gizmos that I would gladly do without. My only gripe about the Z is that it is way too heavy. I would love to see the next Z have the same HP but have the lightness of a Miata or BRZ. Our weight is getting close to muscle car territory.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by jwick

I didn't care for the SRM much but only played with it for the test drive. I do like the satisfaction of perfect shifting. Seems like SRM would take away some of that fun

SRM doesn't make a perfect shift feel any different. But what you think is perfect and what SRM or the ECU thinks is perfect might be two different things. I have used SRM over the years to hone the perfect shift according to what the car wants. That shift feels the same with or without SRM: beautiful

[jpkirk]

So, I made the comment about buying manual because of the rev-match. I like manual. Doesn't make the manual better when considering acceleration performance. I just like the idea of rowing gears and nobody is going to change that ... for me. It's a personal choice. I have never been able to do the heel-toe thing because of an ankle injury back when I was a teenager. My foot doesn't bend well enough to make that throttle blip. So ... when rev-match came along, I found I could have my cake and eat it too.

[UNKNOWN_370]

Originally Posted by jpkirk

So, I made the comment about buying manual because of the rev-match. I like manual. Doesn't make the manual better when considering acceleration performance. I just like the idea of rowing gears and nobody is going to change that ... for me. It's a personal choice. I have never been able to do the heel-toe thing because of an ankle injury back when I was a teenager. My foot doesn't bend well enough to make that throttle blip. So ... when rev-match came along, I found I could have my cake and eat it too.

There's always a reason for tech in some arena. That's why I don't knock any of this tech. People have different situations and some tech accomodates people for reasoning thats bigger than our small logic.

[Ramage]

Mine is a '15 base 7at with no paddles. It does rev match in mm and I love this car.

[Jordo!]

For those without the paddles:

I use it only 50/50 anymore.

Have the up-down for gear changes swapped (e.g., up to down shift), get an uprev tune to speed and firm them up, get a snazzy boot so it looks nicer and covers the now erroneous "+" "-" symbols, and have fun.

It feels like a sequential shifter/go kart, and is a ton of fun/very intuitive when driving (pull towards you to "grab a gear", "push away" to downshift when slowing down and braking into a corner).

It is great.

Details here AT Shifter Mod: Reverse the Up/Down Shift Directions

and for the cosmetics, here DIY OEM Shift Boot Install on Automatic

I ended up using double sided 3m tape to keep it all together, but works great and looks very nice

[GZ3]

great read!

[Luciano13]

So do guys with 7A use the paddle Shift so that they don't sound stupid with an aftermarket exhaust