[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by jwick

Don't you still only get true black from a plasma. And there's an xboxone at home hooked up to a LCD and the PS4 is hooked up to a plasma. The plasma if far superior to the LCD when playing a game.

Oh wait...that's probably just because the PS4 is better. Never mind

sir you can attack my transmission but I will not allow you to attack xbox.

that's like saying Jesus was a fag to bible thumpers.

Originally Posted by jwick

No. Prove that $1k will give you 500wtq

tranny cooler - $300-400
flex plate will probably be $300-500
tune is part of TT so idk if that cost counts for the 5 min it takes to up the line pressure.

that should be ok for 500. I think....... lol

[jwick]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

sir you can attack my transmission but I will not allow you to attack xbox.



that's like saying Jesus was a fag to bible thumpers.











tranny cooler - $300-400

flex plate will probably be $300-500

tune is part of TT so idk if that cost counts for the 5 min it takes to up the line pressure.



that should be ok for 500. I think....... lol

I had a great come back to the Jesus quote but only premium section approved.

The mods you listed might, might, hold 500 TQ at the flywheel, and that is iffy, but it ain't doing it at the wheels buddy

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

TECHNICALLY.......Tony's new flex plate and AT upgrades could be the solution.

also many people have easily gone with a trans cooler, line pressure tune, and maybe a VB upgrade.

to hold 500TQ you'll spend about $1k with the MT.....oh and add $500 for CSC fix. the AT is about the same money to hold 500

anything over that why not build it to be bulletproof like a $4k tranny from level10 or however much tony's new upgrades are.

Where are you getting your numbers? Are you including labor?

Let's get specific here. MT upgrade costs a new clutch. Let's say $1500 including labor for a nicer clutch that can handle 500 hp and 400 ft-lbs torque. Add another $300 to upgrade the CSC (no extra labor since the clutch is being done). We're at $1800.

From what I've seen the trans cooler will cost ~$400 plus labor. The VB upgrade is like $900 plus labor (can you get it from someone other than GTM? ). So you're probably around the same cost including labor for cooler and vb install. And with all this, can you even guarantee that the AT will hold more than 400 ft-lb torque? I don't think so...

And who says you have to upgrade the MT internals to get the same HP as a Level10 tranny upgrade? Has anyone broken an MT with too much torque? I don't think so. I wonder if any of the 800+ hp builds have upgrade MT internals. I don't think so.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by jwick

Don't you still only get true black from a plasma.

Nope. That's why OLED is far superior. Even at its infancy now.

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Where are you getting your numbers? Are you including labor?

Let's get specific here. MT upgrade costs a new clutch. Let's say $1500 including labor for a nicer clutch that can handle 500 hp and 400 ft-lbs torque. Add another $300 to upgrade the CSC (no extra labor since the clutch is being done). We're at $1800.

From what I've seen the trans cooler will cost ~$400 plus labor. The tune will cost at least $500 if not a bit more depending on which software and package. The VB upgrade is like $900 plus labor (can you get it from someone other than GTM?). So you're at $1800 + labor for cooler and vb install. That's like 33% more cost than the MT not including the initial AT hike at the dealer. And with all this, can you even guarantee that the AT will hold more than 400 ft-lb torque? I don't think so...

And who says you have to upgrade the MT internals to get the same HP as a Level10 tranny upgrade? Has anyone broken an MT with too much torque? I don't think so. I wonder if any of the 800+ hp builds have upgrade MT internals. I don't think so.

I was hoping you didn't remember GTM was really the only VB upgrade right now lol

yea yea ok for slightly less you can hold 500tq in the MT vs AT.

but it's still subpar.

[jwick]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Nope. That's why OLED is far superior. Even at its infancy now.

Haven't bought a TV in over five years so that's good to know. My plasma still looks just as good as any I see at other people's house or the stores.

The only draw back I have on plasma is the pixels age. In another couple of years I'll probably be out of brightness setting

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by jwick

Haven't bought a TV in over five years so that's good to know. My plasma still looks just as good as any I see at other people's house or the stores.

The only draw back I have on plasma is the pixels age. In another couple of years I'll probably be out of brightness setting

I still have a plasma just for the xbox. it's awesome but weighs a million pounds. I agree with the pixel age only because I do see a couple dead pixels along the bottom left corner of mine. nothing no one else will notice but I do lol

[jwick]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

I still have a plasma just for the xbox. it's awesome but weighs a million pounds. I agree with the pixel age only because I do see a couple dead pixels along the bottom left corner of mine. nothing no one else will notice but I do lol

I don't have any dead ones but I recalibrate every couple years and the only thing that changes is I have to increase the brightness some

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

I was hoping you didn't remember GTM was really the only VB upgrade right now lol

yea yea ok for slightly less you can hold 500tq in the MT vs AT.

but it's still subpar.

nice try

Damn straight!

Now there's some AT driver logic! MT is better and less expensive, but it is still subpar

Originally Posted by jwick

Haven't bought a TV in over five years so that's good to know. My plasma still looks just as good as any I see at other people's house or the stores.

The only draw back I have on plasma is the pixels age. In another couple of years I'll probably be out of brightness setting

You will be buying an OLED TV next, I can pretty much guarantee it. My LED is nearly 7 years old now, but it was one of the top of the line 240Hz (need for sports) at the time. No reason to upgrade even now. I'll wait until the OLED get a little better and come down in price.

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

nice try

Damn straight!

Now there's some AT driver logic! MT is better and less expensive, but it is still subpar

it's not better. yes it is cheaper for now. we still need to see what tony's parts are going to cost.

could be interesting

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

it's not better. yes it is cheaper for now. we still need to see what tony's parts are going to cost.

could be interesting

lol again with the AT driver logic. How is more power for less money not better?

Also, I should mention I am currently developing an upgrade for the MT internals that allow it to hold 2000 hp and 2000 ft-lb torque. And it only costs $100. Beat that, bitch!

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

lol again with the AT driver logic. How is more power for less money not better?

Also, I should mention I am currently developing an upgrade for the MT internals that allow it to hold 2000 hp and 2000 ft-lb torque. And it only costs $100. Beat that, bitch!

whatever you're on you better share that's all i'm saying.

puff puff pass

but the money difference could be marginal at best once we see the parts and costs from FI.

and let's say the cost is close/equal and held the same power the AT would still be better. I mean it's better stock and it's better upgraded. FI just set the 370Z WR in the 1/4 mile with a 7AT.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

whatever you're on you better share that's all i'm saying.

puff puff pass

but the money difference could be marginal at best once we see the parts and costs from FI.

and let's say the cost is close/equal and held the same power the AT would still be better. I mean it's better stock and it's better upgraded. FI just set the 370Z WR in the 1/4 mile with a 7AT.

I always share

I'm still wondering what kind of power limits the AT will hit before needing a serious Level10 upgrade vs the power limits the MT will hit before needing internal upgrades. My argument is that the MT limit is much higher (which is why it is better). So either one can get to 500 hp without too much difficulty, but beyond that, you're shelling out serious cash to upgrade the AT vs just choosing a different clutch kit that can handle more power for the MT.

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

I always share

I'm still wondering what kind of power limits the AT will hit before needing a serious Level10 upgrade vs the power limits the MT will hit before needing internal upgrades. My argument is that the MT limit is much higher (which is why it is better). So either one can get to 500 hp without too much difficulty, but beyond that, you're shelling out serious cash to upgrade the AT vs just choosing a different clutch kit that can handle more power for the MT.

I have seen AT's on here pushing 550whp and 450tq no issues.

I now want to find a crashed 370, take the tranny, and stress test it lol

[jwick]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

I have seen AT's on here pushing 550whp and 450tq no issues.



I now want to find a crashed 370, take the tranny, and stress test it lol

Name one