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Originally Posted by JeffP-Z I spent some time over at SZR Pro today here in Houston talking with Dane and Brad about build plans and some of the conversations here.

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Old 06-26-2020, 11:13 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I spent some time over at SZR Pro today here in Houston talking with Dane and Brad about build plans and some of the conversations here. The did acknowledge that some people have had some oil return issues on the AAM twin turbo kit and believe they have worked out the issues. Dane is building a fresh motor with the aam stage 2 kit on it and explained some of the known issues being the left side turbo oil line comes default with a straight an fitting and being so close to the fender well, it often gets pinched or kinked. Additionally have the return lines enter the oil pan (wide Greddy I think) vertically instead of from the side helps alleviate pooling in the lines and lateral flow issues. Sound like they may have that kit dialed in well and given the lower price tag (compared to FI) it might still be a good option.

On the build details, here is the road I will begin traveling down:

1700cc injectors $1500
Specialty Z Flex Fuel Kit
AAM Fuel Rail Kit 1329.99
FI Fuel Return System 1045.00
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Just a couple notes here. First, I'd highly recommend that when forum veterans slag the AAM kit, you listen. AAM has a very bad track record here as far as quality and customer support, for a reason. I realize they are marginally cheaper - How much pain is that worth to you, in the long run? I should add that their kits do make good power once everything is set up. Just figure out your pain threshold getting to that point.
Second, your build list here is definitely showing an improved thought process. You're listing the right kind of components and you're doing it before building anything.
Third, if you have questions about injector size, talking with a knowledgeable tuner with a lot of build experience, such as Sebastian at Specialty Z, would be a very good idea.
Lastly, try to figure out your power goals in advance. That'll make your build decisions a lot more obvious. 500 whp? You won't need E85; you don't need a built block; you can run smaller injectors; you can keep relatively small turbos. 750 whp? Whole 'nother game. Now you're talking built block for longevity, with only a handful of shops providing proven motors at that power level for any kind of duration, likely E85, upgraded turbos, etc.
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Built block in the neighborhood of 15 to 20 grand to do it right.
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Jeff, old boy. I got a question. What ever gave you the idea of running corn on a stock Z?
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Built block in the neighborhood of 15 to 20 grand to do it right.
And even then, it might not hold together.

OP, you've gotten a bunch of great advice from people that have 'been there, done that, got the t-shirt' When they say the AAM kit is junk, believe them. JLarson is running a BP single turbo kit he installed himself (well, with help from lots of others), Madwi is running the same kit and IIRC he did the install himself (possibly with help from others).

I'm not sure I'd believe your buddy that claims 1050 HP out of his Z, unless you happen to be friends with Mike that's selling his Z (white dragon), but that's just my

I would question the motives of people that are pushing a questionable kit, considering the number of people that have had issues with AAM and not just on this platform. There are too many threads with pictures of poorly cast manifolds (with blocked runners) that are in the hands of customers and AAM not standing behind their product. Information is good, and right now, the go-to folks for forced induction and related hardware are Fast Intentions and BP for kits and phunk at CJM for fueling. Good luck.
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From the tags, it appears that sugar, salt, lime and acetone can be added to fuel for big power gains. Wow, that's so cool!!! Now I know what my weekend project is going to be.

Wish me luck gang.

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P.S. Whjaxn17 - I love how you just can't resist trolling and throwing in your useless 2cent comments. I already admitted I was new, I already admitted I was not knowledgable on ECU/Fuel Injected setups, I already admitted I screwed up buy jumping the gun, and I learned a lot from this experience. Unfortunately all I learned from you is that you don't have valuable input and I should ignore anything you say. Start acting mature and prove me wrong.
I'm not trolling, nor was I ever. My first post was EXACTLY what you needed. It was polite and informative. Several others gave you the same answer and expressly said don't do it until it's tuned for it with the bigger injectors, but you did anyway and something went wrong. For that, I have no sympathy. Hopefully you didn't cause any permanent issues, though.

That said, the repost wasn't exactly for you, but next time you take the time to ask a question, maybe heed the advice you get.

BUT, moving past all that...

You need at least 550cc injectors and a tune. That's the entirety of necessary parts. An Aeromotive 340lph isn't a bad idea, but not needed. I believe the SZ flexfuel kit is ~$600. I'd personally recommend it as you have to run your car down to almost empty to switch fuels otherwise. If you choose to go that route, ECUtek is your only software option as Uprev does not have flexfuel capabilities.
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And what kind of power are you looking for, 1700cc injectors may be overkill. 1300cc may be a better choice.
Yeap, 1700cc are good for a mostly E85 car. Run them on 93 oct. and you will get some funky idling, etc. This is from personal experience. 1300cc is all most folks need unless they are wanting to push the HP level. If that is the case, it can get expensive quick. Re-do's suck and are quite costly.
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From the tags, it appears that sugar, salt, lime and acetone can be added to fuel for big power gains. Wow, that's so cool!!! Now I know what my weekend project is going to be.

Wish me luck gang.

You missed the one about using grain instead of corn.
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I'm not trolling, nor was I ever. My first post was EXACTLY what you needed. It was polite and informative. Several others gave you the same answer and expressly said don't do it until it's tuned for it with the bigger injectors, but you did anyway and something went wrong. For that, I have no sympathy. Hopefully you didn't cause any permanent issues, though.

That said, the repost wasn't exactly for you, but next time you take the time to ask a question, maybe heed the advice you get.

BUT, moving past all that...

You need at least 550cc injectors and a tune. That's the entirety of necessary parts. An Aeromotive 340lph isn't a bad idea, but not needed. I believe the SZ flexfuel kit is ~$600. I'd personally recommend it as you have to run your car down to almost empty to switch fuels otherwise. If you choose to go that route, ECUtek is your only software option as Uprev does not have flexfuel capabilities.
Thanks, good information. My apologies for taking it a bit took personally. Being frustrated and scared of the mistake I made coupled with fact that I am a newb both to the forum and to JDM performance I was expecting a friendlier response and I let it get to me...stoopidly!!!

So I think I will take the good advice here and plan on changing the build plan to this:

Walbro 520 / E85
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Plus the Zspeed Flex Fuel kit.

This should position me well for the TT upgrade later on unless I am missing something in this. Oh and yes, I appreciate the advice on the FI vs. AAM and will listen to the solid advice given here and get the FI kit, pain is not worth the marginally higher cost to get a better kit. Someone might have once told me, you get what pay for...If the FI is better, and was my original choice before these guys were pushing the AAM kit on me. It's really great to be able to get sound advice from people who have been there and done this and are not trying sell me something for their benefit and potentially not mine.

Thanks again to everyone for helping and dealing with my retarded a$$! This has been great information that I just had to take the time to thoroughly understand and not leap before I look.
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Jeff, old boy. I got a question. What ever gave you the idea of running corn on a stock Z?
Stupidity in reality....but I was looking to take advantage of the marginal HP gain I would have expected. But as I may have already said, I leaped before I looked...bad plan! I was getting beat out there by guys with much better builds and thought it was a quick easy way to make more HP. I am too impulsive sometimes and it got the better of me this time. Add this to experience category and keep on keeping on. Fortunately I am a persistent SOB and wont quit till I get this right. I am on a mission to learn as much as I can now and will try to STFU and read more and understand better.
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Set a HP goal and stick to it. Anything above 16 psi of boost will get expensive quick. If you are going to run E85, ID 1300cc injectors will work just fine. Built motors start at 15k and go up. The more HP you want the more additional mods you will need. If you have never had a turbo car, start slow and work your way up with time and experience. You don't want to jump into a high hp car and wreck it the first month. We have all seen that happen on the forum. It is ugly.
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