First Problem With my 370Z

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

I still don't get how it's Nissan's fault that you keep messing up your rotors?

It's cool. The internet is a fun place when all you have in front of you is a screen and a keyboard.

Sh0velMan · 07-10-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

It's cool. The internet is a fun place when all you have in front of you is a screen and a keyboard.

Yeah, it is.

Anyway, ceramic and metallic/organic mix pads will always deposit if your driving style happens to be such that you stand on the brakes while they're hot on a regular basis. 'Hot' just means "not cold".

I would get some sintered metal pads and call it a day, that's the only way around it in my opinion. Never had any issues with my Z and the rotors last forever. (nearly)

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

Yeah, it is.

Anyway, ceramic and metallic/organic mix pads will always deposit if your driving style happens to be such that you stand on the brakes while they're hot on a regular basis. 'Hot' just means "not cold".

I would get some sintered metal pads and call it a day, that's the only way around it in my opinion. Never had any issues with my Z and the rotors last forever. (nearly)

This is the only car I have ever owned that warps the rotors every several hundred to several thousand miles like clockwork.

2011 C6 Z06
1993 Crown Vic
2002 G20
2001 WS.6
1995 Trans AM
1988 Mustang GT

You telling me the 370Z with sport package is the most fragile of these in the braking department? Half of the damn product manual shows it on a literal racetrack, and one full page is devoted to the craptastic brakes.

Sh0velMan · 07-10-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

This is the only car I have ever owned that warps the rotors every several hundred to several thousand miles like clockwork.

2011 C6 Z06
1993 Crown Vic
2002 G20
2001 WS.6
1995 Trans AM
1988 Mustang GT

You telling me the 370Z with sport package is the most fragile of these in the braking department? Half of the damn product manual shows it on a literal racetrack, and one full page is devoted to the craptastic brakes.

I don't see anything on that list that can really be compared?

I'll go through the list so you can know what I mean:

2011 C6 Z06
- Laaaarge swept area 4 pot caliper, peak heat per square inch not as high as the Z, not using super compressible organic/ceramic pad to reach "artificially high" peak coefficient of friction like the Z's stock pads.
1993 Crown Vic
- large shitty single pot caliper, peak heat much lower because the coefficient of friction isn't even in the same universe
2002 G20
- small shitty single pot caliper, see above
2001 WS.6
- large shitty two pot, see above
1995 Trans AM
- large shitty single pot (maybe two pot) caliper, see above
1988 Mustang GT
- large shitty single pot, see above

Chuck33079 · 07-10-2013, 01:30 PM

Would I buy another Nissan? Sure. I've had no problems. Neither has anyone I know. You did. It really sucks. We feel bad for you, and have been willing to help with whatever we can. But what you've experienced is not what the vast majority of us have experienced, and implying we're stupid for not sharing your feelings about Nissan is not cool. I know you're just venting, and I'm not taking it too personally, but I just wanted to point out that the same people you're calling dumb for wanting/liking Nissan vehicles are the exact same people who've been trying to help you.

Was typing while you were editing- your revision made it come across better than the first draft of your post.

Red__Zed · 07-10-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Would I buy another Nissan? Sure. I've had no problems. Neither has anyone I know. You did. It really sucks. We feel bad for you, and have been willing to help with whatever we can. But what you've experienced is not what the vast majority of us have experienced, and implying we're stupid for not sharing your feelings about Nissan is not cool. I know you're just venting, and I'm not taking it too personally, but I just wanted to point out that the same people you're calling dumb for wanting/liking Nissan vehicles are the exact same people who've been trying to help you.

Was typing while you were editing- your revision made it come across better than the first draft of your post.

The dealbreaker (in my opinion) is the lack of support if you run into issues.

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The dealbreaker (in my opinion) is the lack of support if you run into issues.

Exactly. It's a car. It has thousands of moving parts. You think each one will be perfect? No. That's why you have a warranty and a reputation backing the product. Or rather, you HOPE you do...

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Would I buy another Nissan? Sure. I've had no problems. Neither has anyone I know. You did. It really sucks. We feel bad for you, and have been willing to help with whatever we can. But what you've experienced is not what the vast majority of us have experienced, and implying we're stupid for not sharing your feelings about Nissan is not cool. I know you're just venting, and I'm not taking it too personally, but I just wanted to point out that the same people you're calling dumb for wanting/liking Nissan vehicles are the exact same people who've been trying to help you.

Was typing while you were editing- your revision made it come across better than the first draft of your post.

Yeah, because I did not convey what I meant to convey the first go.

Chuck33079 · 07-10-2013, 01:41 PM

Personally, I think it's time to stop being quite so relaxed. I'm not necessarily saying lawyer up, but if you have a friend or acquaintance who is an attorney? Sometimes all you need is the letter.

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Personally, I think it's time to stop being quite so relaxed. I'm not necessarily saying lawyer up, but if you have a friend or acquaintance who is an attorney? Sometimes all you need is the letter.

You're right. Physical violence would make me feel great, and there isn't a person there I couldn't walk through, but that is not the answer and the results would be counter productive to every other aspect of my life.

So really, the only true force I can bring to bear that will get results and not cost me more than it gets me is legal force. Dealerships are sleazy enough to know this, and that I am smart enough to realize it, too, regardless of how nasty I may feel.

I know several excellent lawyers and may give one a call after speaking with Nissan's area rep. I want to speak with him before I go further down that road.

Sh0velMan · 07-10-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

You're right. Physical violence would make me feel great, and there isn't a person there I couldn't walk through, but that is not the answer and the results would be counter productive to every other aspect of my life.

So really, the only true force I can bring to bear that will get results and not cost me more than it gets me is legal force. Dealerships are sleazy enough to know this, and that I am smart enough to realize it, too, regardless of how nasty I may feel.

I know several excellent lawyers and may give one a call after speaking with Nissan's area rep. I want to speak with him before I go further down that road.

Learning a lot about why you're not having much luck dealing with people on this issue.

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

Learning a lot about why you're not having much luck dealing with people on this issue.

I think you should read the rest of the post. I don't think there is a person alive who hasn't wanted to put their fist through someone's face, but instead has politely reasoned with them because that is the smarter, better way. I said what I felt like doing, not what I planned, threatened, or otherwise postured to do.

Chuck33079 · 07-10-2013, 01:49 PM

Have you put together a file on all of this? Invoices, dates of work, date and times of calls to the dealer and corporate, other notes? These will come in handy, especially if you end up in a situation that requires a lawyer.

As good as it would feel to smack somebody in the head over this, their bruises would eventually heal. A good legal raping will leave their anus bruised forever.

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Have you put together a file on all of this? Invoices, dates of work, date and times of calls to the dealer and corporate, other notes? These will come in handy, especially if you end up in a situation that requires a lawyer.

As good as it would feel to smack somebody in the head over this, their bruises would eventually heal. A good legal raping will leave their anus bruised forever.

I have some records. I presume that a good lawyer could subpoena them. Probably wrong to have assumed on my part.

Chuck33079 · 07-10-2013, 01:55 PM

I'd start writing everything down, and tracking down every single bit of paper you have that's related. If a lawyer has to find it, he'll bill somebody for the time spent finding it. Small claims court against the dealer could also be an option depending on your state's law.

07-10-2013, 01:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Would I buy another Nissan? Sure. I've had no problems. Neither has anyone I know. You did. It really sucks. We feel bad for you, and have been willing to help with whatever we can. But what you've experienced is not what the vast majority of us have experienced, and implying we're stupid for not sharing your feelings about Nissan is not cool. I know you're just venting, and I'm not taking it too personally, but I just wanted to point out that the same people you're calling dumb for wanting/liking Nissan vehicles are the exact same people who've been trying to help you. Was typing while you were editing- your revision made it come across better than the first draft of your post. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

07-10-2013, 01:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Personally, I think it's time to stop being quite so relaxed. I'm not necessarily saying lawyer up, but if you have a friend or acquaintance who is an attorney? Sometimes all you need is the letter. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

07-10-2013, 01:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Have you put together a file on all of this? Invoices, dates of work, date and times of calls to the dealer and corporate, other notes? These will come in handy, especially if you end up in a situation that requires a lawyer. As good as it would feel to smack somebody in the head over this, their bruises would eventually heal. A good legal raping will leave their anus bruised forever. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

07-10-2013, 01:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	I'd start writing everything down, and tracking down every single bit of paper you have that's related. If a lawyer has to find it, he'll bill somebody for the time spent finding it. Small claims court against the dealer could also be an option depending on your state's law. sig11 likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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