First Problem With my 370Z

SAmilitaryman · 06-13-2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I understand.

Handbrake. Doesn't that just manually activate the rear pads on this car? Regardless, I will use it in the future, but like you said, I seriously doubt this is the issue. The brakes never really get hot by any measurable sense. I mean sure, I wouldn't grab one, but they never smoke and their surface is shiny and bright, no blue spots, etc. I just don't heat them up much I don't feel.

Not at all. We have a seperate set of brakes that work with the handbrake. I know cause i've replaced mine lol.

ImportConvert · 06-21-2013, 01:50 AM

Tech hotline is involved, they say no other '12 z cars have this issue. My front factory pads with 20k are worn identical to the rear, neither I, or anyone at the dealer is placing blame on driving style. Nissan corporate wants a dealer tech ride along with brake switch one and two monitored. They want to replace all of my stoptech and z1 stuff replaced with OEM, which is fine, my rotors are trashed. My whole car vibrates when I apply the brakes, now. Every component tq spec was checked, calipers checked, etc. Noone has a clue. This is ramping up to be a nightmare, I'm afraid. We will see. So far so good, but damn I don't want to have to keep dealing with this.

ImportConvert · 07-02-2013, 04:25 AM

Well, I went for a test-ride yesterday with the master tech in the car datalogging brake-use. He said I did NOTHING that would cause the amount of warpage (whole car violently shakes now. Firing a 9mm Glock 19 actually feels better than holding the steering-wheel almost, it bucks so hard against you when you apply the brakes and try to turn).

I can now feel the "warp" when coming to a stop. The last 5-10 feet, the car just lurches to a halt if you gently squeeze the brakes.

Once he submitted the datalogging to Nissan, they AGAIN blamed me, even though the service manager and master tech have both told them over and over that the wear on the tires and pads regarding material loss do NOT equate to driver abuse, and the rotors show NO signs of heat other than horrible warpage.

They are forcing me to pay out of my own pocket to replace with OEM parts, the Z1 slotted rotors and Stoptech pads that the car ruined in <2,000 miles, which were put on the car at the request of the service manager.

Then the dealership will keep my car "for a few days" "to be driven by managers/master techs" to completely utterly 100% eliminate me as the problem (Tech Hot line says they have 0 instances of 2012 370Z brakes issues, and thus implies that I am the most hardcore violent driver in North America which owns a 370Z...sorry. No. I got over 17K miles out of the stock 140 treadware tires, and at 20-ishK miles, my factory pads front/rear were the same thickness...that theory don't fly with me.)

I have owned:

1988 mustang 5.0 (240whp)
1993 Crown Vic (5.4L swap)
1995 LT1 Trans Am
2001 WS.6 Trans Am
2002 Infiniti G20
2011 C6 Z06
2012 370Z

The ONLY OTHER CAR that I had which warped the rotors was the WS.6, it happened one time at 8X,XXXK miles, and after they were replaced/turned (I forget), I drove it to 149,XXX miles and sold it without another issue. None of the other cars had ANY brake-shudder issues.

So maybe Nissan needs to go back to 1988 and come to Ford with their hat in their hands and ask how to design disk brakes.

Or maybe they need to just stop trying to **** their customers in the *** and accept that maybe the car has a ******* problem.

Nissan is officially the most inept entity I have ever dealt with. If I had known that Nissan neither supported, nor cared about their products, I never would have even given them a chance to earn my business.

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:06 PM

Still dealing with Nissan. Hopefully they can repair our broken relationship. The service manager who told me to use slotted rotors is now vehemently denying that he ever said such a thing. I smiled and quietly walked out of his service department.

Red__Zed · 07-10-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Nissan is officially the most inept entity I have ever dealt with. If I had known that Nissan neither supported, nor cared about their products, I never would have even given them a chance to earn my business.

Too bad there was no one that warned you about that.

Chuck33079 · 07-10-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

The service manager who told me to use slotted rotors is now vehemently denying that he ever said such a thing.

Sounds like corporate is holding the dealer's feet to the fire for recommending aftermarket stuff and trying to warranty claim it. I'm unfortunately not too surprised he developed amnesia. At this point you might want to find some legal representation. You'd be surprised how much you can accomplish with a sternly worded letter on legal letterhead sent to the dealer and manufacturer.

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Sounds like corporate is holding the dealer's feet to the fire for recommending aftermarket stuff and trying to warranty claim it. I'm unfortunately not too surprised he developed amnesia. At this point you might want to find some legal representation. You'd be surprised how much you can accomplish with a sternly worded letter on legal letterhead sent to the dealer and manufacturer.

I'm not going to be spending another dime on this (after buying Z1 rotors, Stoptech pads...and NOW, OEM Sport rotors and pads to replace those...). However, I don't think they want to cross wires with me. I'm going to wait and see how Nissan Corporate deals with this after I finally get a chance to speak with the regional representative.

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Too bad there was no one that warned you about that.

Yeah yeah, I like to learn the hard way, but I've learned my lesson now. First and last Nissan I will EVER buy. After reading threads like this, if you still want a Nissan, well, buy mine, you're probably even dumb enough to give me pay-off.

Chuck33079 · 07-10-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

After reading threads like this, if you still want a Nissan........... you're probably even dumb enough

Dude, I get that you're livid about this. I would be too. You have every right to be. You've gotten a crappy deal, and we all feel for you. As a community we've all been trying to help with what little we can for you. Calling us idiots is kinda uncalled for.

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Dude, I get that you're livid about this. I would be too. You have every right to be. You've gotten a crappy deal, and we all feel for you. As a community we've all been trying to help with what little we can for you. Calling us idiots is kinda uncalled for.

Sorry bro, I'm pissed at this situation and cannot believe any rational human being would choose to be in the same spot, potentially.

What I meant to convey, is, knowing this...who the hell would actually buy a Nissan after seeing where it can land you when things don't go right? It's a machine. It has the potential to **** the bed.

That being said, I have not yet gotten to speak with the area manager. I am hoping that he can fix all of this and that it's just one big misunderstanding. I'm trying to remain somewhat calm, and want to exhaust all possibilities of resolving this in a somewhat relaxed manner.

Sh0velMan · 07-10-2013, 01:29 PM

I still don't get how it's Nissan's fault that you keep messing up your rotors?

Chuck33079 · 07-10-2013, 01:30 PM

Would I buy another Nissan? Sure. I've had no problems. Neither has anyone I know. You did. It really sucks. We feel bad for you, and have been willing to help with whatever we can. But what you've experienced is not what the vast majority of us have experienced, and implying we're stupid for not sharing your feelings about Nissan is not cool. I know you're just venting, and I'm not taking it too personally, but I just wanted to point out that the same people you're calling dumb for wanting/liking Nissan vehicles are the exact same people who've been trying to help you.

Was typing while you were editing- your revision made it come across better than the first draft of your post.

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

I still don't get how it's Nissan's fault that you keep messing up your rotors?

It's cool. The internet is a fun place when all you have in front of you is a screen and a keyboard.

Red__Zed · 07-10-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Would I buy another Nissan? Sure. I've had no problems. Neither has anyone I know. You did. It really sucks. We feel bad for you, and have been willing to help with whatever we can. But what you've experienced is not what the vast majority of us have experienced, and implying we're stupid for not sharing your feelings about Nissan is not cool. I know you're just venting, and I'm not taking it too personally, but I just wanted to point out that the same people you're calling dumb for wanting/liking Nissan vehicles are the exact same people who've been trying to help you.

Was typing while you were editing- your revision made it come across better than the first draft of your post.

The dealbreaker (in my opinion) is the lack of support if you run into issues.

ImportConvert · 07-10-2013, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Would I buy another Nissan? Sure. I've had no problems. Neither has anyone I know. You did. It really sucks. We feel bad for you, and have been willing to help with whatever we can. But what you've experienced is not what the vast majority of us have experienced, and implying we're stupid for not sharing your feelings about Nissan is not cool. I know you're just venting, and I'm not taking it too personally, but I just wanted to point out that the same people you're calling dumb for wanting/liking Nissan vehicles are the exact same people who've been trying to help you.

Was typing while you were editing- your revision made it come across better than the first draft of your post.

Yeah, because I did not convey what I meant to convey the first go.

07-02-2013, 04:25 AM	#198 (permalink)
ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7626	Well, I went for a test-ride yesterday with the master tech in the car datalogging brake-use. He said I did NOTHING that would cause the amount of warpage (whole car violently shakes now. Firing a 9mm Glock 19 actually feels better than holding the steering-wheel almost, it bucks so hard against you when you apply the brakes and try to turn). I can now feel the "warp" when coming to a stop. The last 5-10 feet, the car just lurches to a halt if you gently squeeze the brakes. Once he submitted the datalogging to Nissan, they AGAIN blamed me, even though the service manager and master tech have both told them over and over that the wear on the tires and pads regarding material loss do NOT equate to driver abuse, and the rotors show NO signs of heat other than horrible warpage. They are forcing me to pay out of my own pocket to replace with OEM parts, the Z1 slotted rotors and Stoptech pads that the car ruined in <2,000 miles, which were put on the car at the request of the service manager. Then the dealership will keep my car "for a few days" "to be driven by managers/master techs" to completely utterly 100% eliminate me as the problem (Tech Hot line says they have 0 instances of 2012 370Z brakes issues, and thus implies that I am the most hardcore violent driver in North America which owns a 370Z...sorry. No. I got over 17K miles out of the stock 140 treadware tires, and at 20-ishK miles, my factory pads front/rear were the same thickness...that theory don't fly with me.) I have owned: 1988 mustang 5.0 (240whp) 1993 Crown Vic (5.4L swap) 1995 LT1 Trans Am 2001 WS.6 Trans Am 2002 Infiniti G20 2011 C6 Z06 2012 370Z The ONLY OTHER CAR that I had which warped the rotors was the WS.6, it happened one time at 8X,XXXK miles, and after they were replaced/turned (I forget), I drove it to 149,XXX miles and sold it without another issue. None of the other cars had ANY brake-shudder issues. So maybe Nissan needs to go back to 1988 and come to Ford with their hat in their hands and ask how to design disk brakes. Or maybe they need to just stop trying to ** their customers in the * and accept that maybe the car has a ******* problem. Nissan is officially the most inept entity I have ever dealt with. If I had known that Nissan neither supported, nor cared about their products, I never would have even given them a chance to earn my business. Last edited by ImportConvert; 07-02-2013 at 04:33 AM.

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Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Would I buy another Nissan? Sure. I've had no problems. Neither has anyone I know. You did. It really sucks. We feel bad for you, and have been willing to help with whatever we can. But what you've experienced is not what the vast majority of us have experienced, and implying we're stupid for not sharing your feelings about Nissan is not cool. I know you're just venting, and I'm not taking it too personally, but I just wanted to point out that the same people you're calling dumb for wanting/liking Nissan vehicles are the exact same people who've been trying to help you. Was typing while you were editing- your revision made it come across better than the first draft of your post. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7626	Tech hotline is involved, they say no other '12 z cars have this issue. My front factory pads with 20k are worn identical to the rear, neither I, or anyone at the dealer is placing blame on driving style. Nissan corporate wants a dealer tech ride along with brake switch one and two monitored. They want to replace all of my stoptech and z1 stuff replaced with OEM, which is fine, my rotors are trashed. My whole car vibrates when I apply the brakes, now. Every component tq spec was checked, calipers checked, etc. Noone has a clue. This is ramping up to be a nightmare, I'm afraid. We will see. So far so good, but damn I don't want to have to keep dealing with this.

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ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7626	Still dealing with Nissan. Hopefully they can repair our broken relationship. The service manager who told me to use slotted rotors is now vehemently denying that he ever said such a thing. I smiled and quietly walked out of his service department.