Originally Posted by elperuano Well pretty much what others have stated. ECUtek is claiming to be superior to UPrev. I see no dyno sheets, the original post just has words
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05-28-2013, 06:09 PM | #1 (permalink) | |
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Second, you need to note that it was one vendor, not EcuTek, that said the SW is better that what is currently on the market. I did not make the statement mentioned above, but in my opinion, as a Pro tuning shop, and a mechanical engineer, having used both, the Ecutek is better. Why don't more tuners know about it? Good question, maybe your asking the wrong tuners? Most professional tuning shops in the US, and the world, know who Ecutek is, and quite a few of them use the SW. If you were to drop around to a shop that has Subaru clients, or Mazda, or Mitsubishi, or even Nissan( that has done Juke, or GTR work), I think you would find the story different. They may or may not use EcuTek, but I assure you, they know who they are. What can EcuTek do that Uprev can't? Also a damn fine question; the short answer is expand. Expand the reach of a pro tuner into areas such as VVEL and VVT, as well as simplified ignition tuning for boosted cars. And yes, map switching is coming, along with custom tables to allow a wide range of adjustments to things like traction control, per gear rev limits, flat foot shifting, launch control, etc, etc. Is it for everyone? Nope. There are those that will never be happy unless they can tinker with the tuning themselves, and I doubt that will happen anytime soon. But it is a good option, and for those of you who like uprev, think of it this way; maybe a new option will make them move ahead Oh, and about your statement "From good tuners also", you might want to look Visconti up, he is one of the best tuners in the country. Yes he can be a bit of an ***( and I think of him as a friend) but that's just the way John comes off on the computer. He does know how to tune a car |
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My bad. I thought we were discussing uprev for the 370. Which still hasn't given full control of vvel. We really shouldn't be comparing ecutek to uprev until the full featured version is available. We're sitting here criticizing a beta test. In time, we'll have results. Does anyone really want to be an early adopter of something as important as engine management?
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I give you credit for wanting to be an early adopter of VVEL. I know I couldn't do it even with guarantee of valves crashing into pistons. Ecutek has been out to the public for a little over a month I really think people need to give it time. This constant push for VVEL seems a bit extreme and people seem to be overlooking some of the other features. One key feature that Ecutek already has over Uprev is full ignition timing control something UPrev does not have or added in the last 5 years to this platform.
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Maybe beta was the wrong word, but it's the "coming soon" features I'm most excited about.
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Just wanted to clarify
What can EcuTek do that "And yes, map switching is coming, along with custom tables to allow a wide range of adjustments to things like traction control, per gear rev limits, flat foot shifting, launch control, etc, etc. " Coming along as in still not there yet and working on it correct? Yes, again I know ECUtek is good on other platforms. Which is why I stated how is it good HERE for THIS community. I love Subbies and evos, but I don't have one. Again, tuners know about ECUtek but so far not many use ECUtek to tune the 370/g37. |
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"Coming along as in still not there yet and working on it correct?". Nope. Coming as in this is what the future holds for the sw. As of last week( Friday) they were working on a update to the GTR suite. Since the 370 SW is a piggyback( meaning the knowledge gained from the R&D, and ongoing research) of the GTR, I expect to see those features added shortly. I will also point out something your seemed to have overlooked; if someone gets the license and a calibration now( at least from us), the updates(including any and all RaceRom future releases) is free. |
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According to the the site there are about 14 tuners in North America ... including some places that cater to this community alot, like GTM.
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I'm all for this product. I hope they bring what they say they will. |
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What would be really cool would be to take my UPREV tuned rig somewhere and do a before dyno (baseline with UPREV) and after dyno.
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I brought this up to Visconti and he pointed out one simple flaw and that is all tuners are not created equal. Basically you'd have to get your ECUtek tuner to tune it with Uprev first and then with ECUtek to get an apples to apples comparison.
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Thanks for the clarity. Didnt know the software with those features were just made available. We have been reading that it was "coming" for about a month now which was my personal complaint about it.
As far as future updates being free that's cool but if I'm not mistaken that's the norm with uprev. Lookin forward to future updates. |
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So... Again I ask, since I think my question sparked the debate on the wrong tangent...
When can we (as end users) expect to see a FULL release of a completed (Non-Beta version; updates are a given with any SW package so thats a moot point) ECUTek tuning package? i.e. I go to a tuner/shop, and say I want an ECUTek tune. When will all features be available for a tune with no hesitation from the tuner/shop because the R&D work is completed? The product is no longer Beta, but full release? I am not negating any of the possibilities of improvement from ECUTek, I have never had experience with any other tuning platform, so I don't know their credibility outside of the 370Z world. All I (me, myself) am trying to do is get a ballpark date as I am looking to have my UpRev tune given a 2nd opinion, and by an ECUTek tuner as well, so that when I go to do this tune check-up, if I decide to convert to ECUTek, I know I won't need to come back multiple times as new features become fully developed...
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