Nissan 370Z Forum  

why 18'' wheels more popular on track?

don't consider the price and weight. Is handling better than 19''?

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Track / Autocross / Drifting / Dragstrip


Like Tree33Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-14-2013, 06:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Canada
Posts: 25
Drives: 13 370z
Rep Power: 11
01206 is on a distinguished road
Default why 18'' wheels more popular on track?

don't consider the price and weight.
Is handling better than 19''?
01206 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2013, 06:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
Track Member
 
ka24king's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: texas
Posts: 582
Drives: '10 370z 40th annv.
Rep Power: 13
ka24king is a jewel in the roughka24king is a jewel in the roughka24king is a jewel in the rough
Default

i have also wondered this
ka24king is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2013, 06:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Irvine
Posts: 1,682
Drives: 13 PW sport 6mt
Rep Power: 18
dP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud of
Default

Umm price and weight are the only factors that matter.

1. They're lighter (being lighter is suppose to equate to better handling)
2. Tires for 18s are cheaper
__________________
35% Hooper Optik | Takeda Attack CAI | F.I. HFC | Hotchkis Sway Bar | Stillen 24row | OS Giken Super Lock LSD | TK Shift Knob | EVO-R Carbon Diffuser
dP3NGU1N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2013, 06:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: San Fernando Valley, CA
Posts: 402
Drives: 2013 370z PW A/T
Rep Power: 12
coolvans1988 is a name known to allcoolvans1988 is a name known to allcoolvans1988 is a name known to allcoolvans1988 is a name known to allcoolvans1988 is a name known to allcoolvans1988 is a name known to all
Default

coolvans1988 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2013, 06:49 PM   #5 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
cossie1600's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: californee way
Posts: 5,380
Drives: 370, Leaf
Rep Power: 29
cossie1600 has a reputation beyond reputecossie1600 has a reputation beyond reputecossie1600 has a reputation beyond reputecossie1600 has a reputation beyond reputecossie1600 has a reputation beyond reputecossie1600 has a reputation beyond reputecossie1600 has a reputation beyond reputecossie1600 has a reputation beyond reputecossie1600 has a reputation beyond reputecossie1600 has a reputation beyond reputecossie1600 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Half the grippy tires don't come in 19s
cossie1600 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2013, 06:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
blackcherry20's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Southern Ohio
Posts: 22,749
Drives: ‘17 badazz Z51
Rep Power: 240458
blackcherry20 has a reputation beyond reputeblackcherry20 has a reputation beyond reputeblackcherry20 has a reputation beyond reputeblackcherry20 has a reputation beyond reputeblackcherry20 has a reputation beyond reputeblackcherry20 has a reputation beyond reputeblackcherry20 has a reputation beyond reputeblackcherry20 has a reputation beyond reputeblackcherry20 has a reputation beyond reputeblackcherry20 has a reputation beyond reputeblackcherry20 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Cheap tires=mega fun
DEpointfive0 likes this.
__________________
Grand Sport Corvette Arctic White
blackcherry20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2013, 07:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
Track Member
 
GSS138's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Mission Viejo, CA
Posts: 769
Drives: '12 370Z 6M Sport
Rep Power: 13
GSS138 is a jewel in the roughGSS138 is a jewel in the roughGSS138 is a jewel in the rough
Default

19" is a show tire. 20" is a bigger show tire.

While going 90 mph around a corner, you don't give a f@ck what your car looks like.

18" wheel = lighter than same brand 19" wheel(it makes a big diff)

18" tire cheaper than 19" tire.

can lower car 1/2" more.

Most good tires for the 370z come in 18" wheel size.
carlitos_370z likes this.
__________________
Current Mods: Vorpal Weapon +5.
GSS138 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2013, 07:30 PM   #8 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
synolimit's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 5,051
Drives: 2013 Silver 370z
Rep Power: 3388
synolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dP3NGU1N View Post
Umm price and weight are the only factors that matter.

1. They're lighter (being lighter is suppose to equate to better handling)
2. Tires for 18s are cheaper
Lol pretty much.

And even if a 19" wheel is the same weight as an 18", it's really not. Its heavier because it has 1 more inch of outer weight adding to you're rolling resistance.

If you swing a 5lbs weight in you hand in a 1 foot circle it's pretty easy and fast rpms. Swing the same weight at your max arm extension and it can pop your shoulder out of its socket trying to go to fast.
rebe945, 1cleanZ and DarkJak like this.
__________________
13 370z-

Last edited by synolimit; 11-14-2013 at 07:33 PM.
synolimit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2013, 07:35 PM   #9 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: monticello new york 127
Posts: 1,095
Drives: 08 350z black 6m/t
Rep Power: 0
andre12031948 has a spectacular aura aboutandre12031948 has a spectacular aura aboutandre12031948 has a spectacular aura about
Default 17" & 18"

can run tires with more rubber. Much smoother ride, also many more tires available, like for drag racing. Not a fan of big wheels & thin/little rubber if there's no reason for them. If you do some road type of driving that need very firm/hard tires then.....ok. Not a fan of spacers if the car will do some hard driving. Working with the wheel sellers/manufacturers will help get the size, right off set & look without the risk of having wheel spacers.

Maybe it's just me, but if I can get what I want without those, I'm happy. Only one pick in my home page. 17" wheels wide tires & perfect level side view. Check it out.
andre12031948 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2013, 06:59 AM   #10 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
wstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 4,024
Drives: too slow
Rep Power: 3594
wstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Also, if your tire/wheel combo actually reduces the outer diameter and ride height as mentioned above, that effectively gives you a small boost in gearing, like changing your rear end ratio.
__________________
7AT Track Car!
Journal thread / Car setup details
wstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2013, 08:03 AM   #11 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Volk Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Laguna Beach, CA
Posts: 2,214
Drives: Nismo Z
Rep Power: 3065
Volk Z has a reputation beyond reputeVolk Z has a reputation beyond reputeVolk Z has a reputation beyond reputeVolk Z has a reputation beyond reputeVolk Z has a reputation beyond reputeVolk Z has a reputation beyond reputeVolk Z has a reputation beyond reputeVolk Z has a reputation beyond reputeVolk Z has a reputation beyond reputeVolk Z has a reputation beyond reputeVolk Z has a reputation beyond repute
Default

The only flip side of a 19 vs 18 is a smaller sidewall which means less flex around a corner, which in turn would aid in track times... BUT that being said an 18 on the 370z would still use a 35-40 series profile which is still low.

For drag racing a higher sidewall in the rear may help off the line.

Overall an 18 inch would typically be lighter using the same rim comparison but a Volk CE28 in a 19 inch weighs around 19-20 pounds vs a Rota knock off weight more in an 18 inch. So this comparison must be 18 vs 19 in the same exact wheel and same tire brand combo and width.

Handling can be tweaked with the slightest adjustments like alignment, tire pressure etc.

The only real way to test if you are that specific to getting the lowest track times is testing. We all know they didn't just slap the GTR together and go "I bet she goes fast"... NOpe they continually tested at the Nurbergring track over and over and made tweaks.

-Chad
__________________
AMUSE * TOMEI * STILLEN * CRAFTSQUARE
RECARO * 3M * TOP SECRET * SLICKCARBON
Volk Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2013, 08:05 AM   #12 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Sh0velMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth
Posts: 3,349
Drives: Noisily.
Rep Power: 20
Sh0velMan has a brilliant futureSh0velMan has a brilliant futureSh0velMan has a brilliant futureSh0velMan has a brilliant futureSh0velMan has a brilliant futureSh0velMan has a brilliant futureSh0velMan has a brilliant futureSh0velMan has a brilliant futureSh0velMan has a brilliant futureSh0velMan has a brilliant futureSh0velMan has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Volk Z View Post
The only flip side of a 19 vs 18 is a smaller sidewall which means less flex around a corner, which in turn would aid in track times... BUT that being said an 18 on the 370z would still use a 35-40 series profile which is still low.

For drag racing a higher sidewall in the rear may help off the line.

Overall an 18 inch would typically be lighter using the same rim comparison but a Volk CE28 in a 19 inch weighs around 19-20 pounds vs a Rota knock off weight more in an 18 inch. So this comparison must be 18 vs 19 in the same exact wheel and same tire brand combo and width.

Handling can be tweaked with the slightest adjustments like alignment, tire pressure etc.

The only real way to test if you are that specific to getting the lowest track times is testing. We all know they didn't just slap the GTR together and go "I bet she goes fast"... NOpe they continually tested at the Nurbergring track over and over and made tweaks.

-Chad
There's such a thing as too little compliance.

Smaller sidewall does not automatically mean more grip. There's plenty of folks out there that run 18's rather than 19's in order to get a slightly taller sidewall and more compliance without increasing OD.
Brian likes this.
__________________
Buy My Car! | Build Thread
Sh0velMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2013, 08:06 AM   #13 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
theDreamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 30,879
Drives: 370z
Rep Power: 4210
theDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond repute
Default

A fun video I remember seeing years ago, using a 350z and comparing 18 v 19 inch wheel sizes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN6AmQMZ4g
__________________
theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN
theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY
Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram
theDreamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2013, 12:14 PM   #14 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Oregon
Posts: 187
Drives: 09 370Z Nismo #280
Rep Power: 13
Apollo8642 is on a distinguished road
Default

I agree on the lines for racing and track the 18" rim has a better choice and more of a selection for what you can run for tires. You can run a better side wall for autoX and track racing in my opinion specially if your car is lowered. They also can run a few bucks cheaper, rim and tire. Then top that with the weight savings of a 18" rim over a 19" rim which i.e. the Enkei RPF1 in a 19x10 is 21.30lbs and the 18x10 is 18.45


Quote:
If you swing a 5lbs weight in you hand in a 1 foot circle it's pretty easy and fast rpms. Swing the same weight at your max arm extension and it can pop your shoulder out of its socket trying to go to fast.
synolimit.... really.... That answer would fail you in Physics pertaining to the physics of a wheel. And this is were you get your participation medals thanks for trying.
PharmDZ likes this.
Apollo8642 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2013, 02:54 PM   #15 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Red__Zed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: window seat
Posts: 28,940
Drives: Mostly on two wheels
Rep Power: 119
Red__Zed has a reputation beyond reputeRed__Zed has a reputation beyond reputeRed__Zed has a reputation beyond reputeRed__Zed has a reputation beyond reputeRed__Zed has a reputation beyond reputeRed__Zed has a reputation beyond reputeRed__Zed has a reputation beyond reputeRed__Zed has a reputation beyond reputeRed__Zed has a reputation beyond reputeRed__Zed has a reputation beyond reputeRed__Zed has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollo8642 View Post


synolimit.... really.... That answer would fail you in Physics pertaining to the physics of a wheel. And this is were you get your participation medals thanks for trying.
He's referencing the change in MOI as the mass distribution shifts outward. The effect is right, the wording just not perfect.
DarkJak likes this.
Red__Zed is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Any particular reason why these wheels aren't more popular with 370z guys? Amuse370z Wheels & Tires 13 08-12-2012 12:01 AM
The Z - Not A Popular Choice Dizzy Canada 37 02-14-2012 01:20 AM
Most popular spacer combo? Shenouda Brakes & Suspension 27 03-27-2011 07:15 AM
What's is the FI exhaust the most popular on this board? xbigb4ller69z Intake/Exhaust 62 04-25-2010 12:22 PM
370Z, very popular among all lifestyles edeeZee Nissan 370Z General Discussions 17 07-21-2009 09:33 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:31 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2