370z vs 911 ZO6 S4!!!

JoeD · 08-17-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by grahfz

With the exception of the 2 seater part, sounds like an M5 to me.

The E39 was a purpose-built chassis? Wow...that's news to me. I didn't know a mid-'90s 528i was a sports-car. Next time you see a clueless soccer-mom driving one, say "Hey! Nice sports-car!"

The M5 is a performance luxury-sedan. Of course, how a car is classified and what defines a "sports-car" is a never-ending discussion due to its highly subjective nature. Thankfully, the traits I cited above make for the most widely accepted guidelines.

If an M5 is a sports-car, then so is a 300C SRT-8 with a manual swapped in. Or a G8. Or a Cayenne GTS.

Asheth · 08-17-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

The E39 was a purpose-built chassis? Wow...that's news to me. I didn't know a mid-'90s 528i was a sports-car. Next time you see a clueless soccer-mom driving one, say "Hey! Nice sports-car!"

The M5 is a performance luxury-sedan. Of course, how a car is classified and what defines a "sports-car" is a never-ending discussion due to its highly subjective nature. Thankfully, the traits I cited above make for the most widely accepted guidelines.

If an M5 is a sports-car, then so is a 300C SRT-8 with a manual swapped in. Or a G8. Or a Cayenne GTS.

If I am not mistaken anytime you M-package any BMW you always get performance boosting additions to include suspension. 300C SRT-8 is what just a HP boost and some cool paint jobs and decals. along with the G8-GXP

grahfz · 08-17-2009, 09:25 PM

-Purpose-built with balanced performance and/or driving-dynamics being the top priority

JoeD · 08-17-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Asheth

If I am not mistaken anytime you M-package any BMW you always get performance boosting additions to include suspension. 300C SRT-8 is what just a HP boost and some cool paint jobs and decals. along with the G8-GXP

I would say a SRT treatment brings the same level of upgrades as M for BMW. New engine, brakes, suspension, body-work, wheels/tires, interior, etc.

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Originally Posted by grahfz

-Purpose-built with balanced performance and/or driving-dynamics being the top priority

Actually, what you should have made bold was the top priority part.

grahfz · 08-17-2009, 10:21 PM

-Purpose-built with balanced performance and/or driving-dynamics being the top priority
If BMW's balance OR driving dynamics don't qualify for this, WHAT THE HELL DOES?
You can't just build a car, and THEN decide to make it handle. That's where the honda ricers are screwing up.
And by your definitions, most Ferrari's won't fit, nor a CCX, nor an F1. A porsche is mid/rear engined... and are FAMOUS for making people lose it in the corners.
A Viper.. I've never seen one complete a track day without a MAJOR failure. Plus.. 8.4Liters, but 600horsepower? BMW gets 500 out of 5!

JoeD · 08-17-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by grahfz

-Purpose-built with balanced performance and/or driving-dynamics being the top priority
If BMW's balance OR driving dynamics don't qualify for this, WHAT THE HELL DOES?
You can't just build a car, and THEN decide to make it handle. That's where the honda ricers are screwing up.
And by your definitions, most Ferrari's won't fit, nor a CCX, nor an F1. A porsche is mid/rear engined... and are FAMOUS for making people lose it in the corners.
A Viper.. I've never seen one complete a track day without a MAJOR failure. Plus.. 8.4Liters, but 600horsepower? BMW gets 500 out of 5!

You talked down on "Honda ricers" and went on to mention HP/L in the same post.

Can I have a few minutes of my life back?

grahfz · 08-17-2009, 11:36 PM

It was more of a reference to how bad the american manufacturers are.
I've never owned anything less than a 6cyl/200hp car(z31). The versa rental I had was terrible enough

I'm still waiting to hear what really is a sports car.

bboypuertoroc · 08-19-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by grahfz

You can't just build a car, and THEN decide to make it handle. That's where the honda ricers are screwing up.

wat

shabarivas · 08-19-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by grahfz

You can't just build a car, and THEN decide to make it handle. That's where the honda ricers are screwing up.

Ha ha ... you have obviously never driven an s2 / hatch / gen4 lude.... Honestly I would like to see you keep up w/ an NA Jun Gen4 Prelude ... dont be talking out of your *** man...

havasuwiley · 08-20-2009, 07:57 PM

i own both,z06 vette and 370z,while i love the nissan my "plastic "car would kick its a** on a track,tight or not

08-17-2009, 09:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
grahfz Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: atlanta Posts: 93 Drives: Touring/6/nav/sport Rep Power: 18	-Purpose-built with balanced performance and/or driving-dynamics being the top priority

08-17-2009, 10:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
grahfz Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: atlanta Posts: 93 Drives: Touring/6/nav/sport Rep Power: 18	-Purpose-built with balanced performance and/or driving-dynamics being the top priority If BMW's balance OR driving dynamics don't qualify for this, WHAT THE HELL DOES? You can't just build a car, and THEN decide to make it handle. That's where the honda ricers are screwing up. And by your definitions, most Ferrari's won't fit, nor a CCX, nor an F1. A porsche is mid/rear engined... and are FAMOUS for making people lose it in the corners. A Viper.. I've never seen one complete a track day without a MAJOR failure. Plus.. 8.4Liters, but 600horsepower? BMW gets 500 out of 5!

08-17-2009, 11:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
grahfz Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: atlanta Posts: 93 Drives: Touring/6/nav/sport Rep Power: 18	It was more of a reference to how bad the american manufacturers are. I've never owned anything less than a 6cyl/200hp car(z31). The versa rental I had was terrible enough I'm still waiting to hear what really is a sports car.

08-20-2009, 07:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
havasuwiley Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: lake havasu city az Posts: 131 Drives: 09 370z, 03 z06 etc Rep Power: 18	i own both,z06 vette and 370z,while i love the nissan my "plastic "car would kick its a** on a track,tight or not